Zeitgeist, 9/11, and Other Conspiracies

[peter12]

This thread is amazing! I love people like this!

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I don't know all the answers yet, but I sure as hell don't think a group of terrorists with box knives did this either.

Hahaha, but it's more likely that a vast government conspiracy, involving the Jews (or Jooos), Wallstreet, etc... somehow came together to make a mess out of downtown Manhatten. For what?!

Jeez, how can you not believe that a bunch of motivated guys with boxcutters did this? How can you possibly reject this?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by blankall

bwahaha

I read this first part of your post and thought this was a joke. You seriously just discovered that lame piece of crap that has been conclusively debunked in its entirety for about 5 years now....

That's like saying you just found about the JFK theories or the illuminati... well not exactly there is a possibility that there is truth to those theories.

Seriously I don't disrespect people's beliefs very often, but you deserve to be pointed at and laughed at.

I seriously hope you are just playing devil's advocate here for entertainment's sake. Otherwise I suggest buying yourself a tin foil hat.

JFK was assassinated because he wanted to abolish the C.I.A. and the Federal Reserve Bank.........so you pretty much know who shot him.
JFK was the last real president the U.S. has had.

As an American(Displaced flames fan), I can see how this would be tough to swallow for you, and remember there are alot of people who point and laugh at dumb Americans who have bought the whole thing on CNN, you just dont see them there.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Except for 3 World Trade Center

But I should just assume you think that this building looks good too.

Well it is still standing there in one piece....no collapse here......of course you will have debris all over it.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by peter12

Hahaha, but it's more likely that a vast government conspiracy, involving the Jews (or Jooos), Wallstreet, etc... somehow came together to make a mess out of downtown Manhatten. For what?!

Jeez, how can you not believe that a bunch of motivated guys with boxcutters did this? How can you possibly reject this?

peter.....I can tell that you haven't read all the comments here because you would know "why".........I have mentioned it twice or more.

Don't you think that if these guys had knives, that multiple passengers(of course they out-number the terrorists) wouldn't risk getting cut or stabbed to confront the terrorists to avoid........oh I dont know being blown up in an airplane?

I dont know if you have any balls or not but I would rather take my chances and be stabbed then blown up in a plane.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

peter.....I can tell that you haven't read all the comments here because you would know "why".........I have mentioned it twice or more.

Don't you think that if these guys had knives, that multiple passengers(of course they out-number the terrorists) wouldn't risk getting cut or stabbed to confront the terrorists to avoid........oh I dont know being blown up in an airplane?

I dont know if you have any balls or not but I would rather take my chances and be stabbed then blown up in a plane.

What do you think the Jewish connection is to 9/11?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well it is still standing there in one piece....no collapse here......of course you will have debris all over it.

"The collapse of the South Tower (2 WTC) split the hotel in half (such damage can briefly be seen in the film documentary 9/11), and the collapse of its twin destroyed the rest of the hotel aside from a small section as seen on the picture, due to the structural strengthening of the steel framework after the 1993 bombing."

But I can see how you can mistake the small bit that wasn't destroyed for a building that was still standing. You know even if the building that was originally 22 floors was now a generous 4.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

peter.....I can tell that you haven't read all the comments here because you would know "why".........I have mentioned it twice or more.

Don't you think that if these guys had knives, that multiple passengers(of course they out-number the terrorists) wouldn't risk getting cut or stabbed to confront the terrorists to avoid........oh I dont know being blown up in an airplane?

I dont know if you have any balls or not but I would rather take my chances and be stabbed then blown up in a plane.

Well that is why in the one flight that knew what they were facing charged the cockpit and it crashed into the field in Pennsylvania. Before 9/11 how many people thought that a plane could be used as a missile to destroy a building, hijackings used to be about getting a ransom.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by peter12

What do you think the Jewish connection is to 9/11?

Can't tell if you're engaging me or bating me.........

Part of a documentary that I watched talked about how there was intellegence from Pakistan, Israel and Saudi Arabia involved in orchestrating the event, funding and training the hijackers etc..........but there were no investigations on the spies that were arrested because the FBI was pulled from it. There were many interviews and clips of FBI agents talking about how they felt like they were closing in on Bin Laden and the real threat behind the attacks, but were then hushed by their superiors.

The data they had of foreign intellegence was not documented in the 9/11 commisssion report (surprise surprise) as it was "classified" and won't become known until it is archived in 20-30 years.....according to the film.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

peter.....I can tell that you haven't read all the comments here because you would know "why".........I have mentioned it twice or more.

Don't you think that if these guys had knives, that multiple passengers(of course they out-number the terrorists) wouldn't risk getting cut or stabbed to confront the terrorists to avoid........oh I dont know being blown up in an airplane?

I dont know if you have any balls or not but I would rather take my chances and be stabbed then blown up in a plane.

This isn't a movie. The passengers knew the pilots were dead and that they had little or no chance of taking control of the planes. Have you ever flown a jumbo jet? I sure haven't. Any resistance would be suicide. You would have to be certain that you were going to die anyway before you risked your life and everyone elses by attacking the hijackers.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

"The collapse of the South Tower (2 WTC) split the hotel in half (such damage can briefly be seen in the film documentary 9/11), and the collapse of its twin destroyed the rest of the hotel aside from a small section as seen on the picture, due to the structural strengthening of the steel framework after the 1993 bombing."

But I can see how you can mistake the small bit that wasn't destroyed for a building that was still standing. You know even if the building that was originally 22 floors was now a generous 4.

My bad......I thought you were talking about WTC6.

[mikey_the_redneck]

I think I have provided enough examples of reasonable doubt as to the events that took place on 9/11 according to the general public, mainstream media, and certainly the 9/11 Commission Report..........which doesnt even talk about WTC 7.

If you can't see that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition, then I'm just going to go to bed. This is tiring.........

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

This is tiring.........

Well you've gotten at least one thing right in this thread.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I think I have provided enough examples of reasonable doubt as to the events that took place on 9/11 according to the general public, mainstream media, and certainly the 9/11 Commission Report..........which doesnt even talk about WTC 7.

If you can't see that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition, then I'm just going to go to bed. This is tiring.........

Well before you go to bed...

How do you think they demolished these buildings without anyone noticing?

Forget motives or coverups or loose change, how did they manage to fill these buildings with explosives without anyone noticing what "they" were doing?

How do you do that?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Well before you go to bed...

How do you think they demolished these buildings without anyone noticing?

Forget motives or coverups or loose change, how did they manage to fill these buildings with explosives without anyone noticing what "they" were doing?

How do you do that?

Infiltrate the Janitor's Union and plant a mole? Hello! Haven't you ever watched TV before?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Oh so you think Bush could have just got up one morning and decided to throw billions of dollars out the window and aggressively invade other countries with no good reason?
He had to SELL it to the public, not to mention other nations. He went out to get Al Qaeda and those phantom wepaons of mass destruction.

You are talking in circles. Dancing around the tough questions (well actually they are simple questions but people like you don't like to answer them because logic doesn't apply in your world) What was the motivation? You said access to oil. He already had that, and for a cheaper price. Do you have anything else?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Wally Miller is hardly a solid source for anything. He was quoted as saying "there was not a drop of blood".........and mentioned that it looked like nothing more than a crater with a bunch of scrap metal scattered everywhere. Here is a 2 minute video of Wally talking a bit about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rygx1Q8zw3E

Similar wrecks have happened where the debris field was isolated to a crater and very little remnant of both plane and people could be indentified. That's what happens when an airplane nose dives into the earth at 400 mph. Basic physics.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

JFK was assassinated because he wanted to abolish the C.I.A. and the Federal Reserve Bank.........so you pretty much know who shot him.
JFK was the last real president the U.S. has had.

As an American(Displaced flames fan), I can see how this would be tough to swallow for you, and remember there are alot of people who point and laugh at dumb Americans who have bought the whole thing on CNN, you just dont see them there.

Blow me. This has nothing to do with Nationality and everything to do with logic and reason.

You have neither. Frankly there are a hell of a lot of people who hate George Bush and everything the US government did after 9/11 who laugh at people like you and your complete inability to apply logic and reason to the ridiculous arguments you perpetuate while claiming to be 'open minded' in comparison to the rest of the sheep and 'dumb Americans' like myself.

Don't analyze me. Analyze your idiotic theories.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Well before you go to bed...

How do you think they demolished these buildings without anyone noticing?

Forget motives or coverups or loose change, how did they manage to fill these buildings with explosives without anyone noticing what "they" were doing?

How do you do that?

He won't answer that. Too tough.

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