California legalizes gay marr... ZOMG!!!! MY EYES!!!!! IT BURNS!!!

[The Yen Man]

I guess my stance is, as long as both receive equal rights and equal treatment, then it's really all just semantics in my mind. If the religious people think marriage is a term reserved for the union between a man and a woman, then let the religious people have their word. I guess I don't see why people are upset in either camp. I have no problem calling it either way.

[flip]

Originally Posted by Gozer

Why is the pro-gay marriage so quick to point out that marriage is already a mockery, historically scarred, and has lost its sanctity - and then demand that they want in on it?

I usually use it only as a retort, not an initial argument.

What i mean by that is the sanctity of marriage is only brought up after an anti-gay marriage person tells me that the sanctity of marriage will be ruined if they let gay people in on it. I don't bring up how much marriage has lost its traditional ways until someone tells me that those traditional ways are going to be ruined.

Does that make any sense?

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by flip

I don't bring up how much marriage has lost its traditional ways until someone tells me that those traditional ways are going to be ruined.

Does that make any sense?

I understand it as a counter-argument, but I don't understand it as an argument on its own. Why do gays want to embrace traditional marriage if there's so much wrong with it?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

There are a lot of things on here that we can't 'change'...but still discuss.

I wasn't aware that anyone was even trying to 'change' this.

Frankly, it sounds like you just want people who 'oppose' it to shutup. If thats the case, you might want to check your attitude at the door.

I disagree with lots of people here....doesn't mean I don't want to still read what they have to say.

Fair enough, but he makes a good point. Same-sex marriage has been legal in Canada going on 3 years now so it's not a hypothetical anymore.

Did anything bad come of it?

The downfall of civilization and the assault on the family didn't exactly come to pass. No marriages ruined or anything of the sort.

Makes me wonder about Canadians still opposed to it. We are living proof here in Canada that legalized same-sex marriage doesn't hurt anybody or come with any tangible negatives.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Fair enough, but he makes a good point. Same-sex marriage has been legal in Canada going on 3 years now so it's not a hypothetical anymore.

Did anything bad come of it?

The downfall of civilization and the assault on the family didn't exactly come to pass. No marriages ruined or anything of the sort.

Makes me wonder about Canadians still opposed to it. We are living proof here in Canada that legalized same-sex marriage doesn't hurt anybody or come with any tangible negatives.

No, he doesn't make a good point. Not unless you think people who 'oppose' something that has been legalized should shutup. I guess when the Copyright bill gets passed, everyone should shutup about it.

Marriages have been ruining themselves for a long time now. Gay people getting married didn't change that.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Gozer

I understand it as a counter-argument, but I don't understand it as an argument on its own. Why do gays want to embrace traditional marriage if there's so much wrong with it?

Unless I'm way off, the larger issue isn't the being "married" part exactly. My step sister is gay, and basically explained it like this; the big issue is the rights that come along with being legally married. Inheritance laws, laws regarding choices when someone is hospitalised and unable to speak, tax incentives etc. My work for example. Someone straight who is married pays far less for health insurance for their spouse than someone who has a domestic partner, or whatever the specific word is.

The whole "Marriage is sacred blah blah" can go fly a kite. They just want to be afforded the same economic and civil rights that every other married couple is. They just happen to have matching naughty bits.

[MRCboicgy]

Give me and my future "hubby" (when/if that happens) the same rights, benefits, and you can invent any word for it. I personally don't get worked up about the actual word or the semantics because I think it loses sight of the big picture. I hate when people get bogged down in details that prevent them from achieving the end goal.

I've discussed this with the other out guy at work a while ago: Can you imagine a gay debate to come up with a name for it though...talk about your catfight!!!!

PS nice to see everyone coming out to make the forums more Fabulous.

[frege64]

Originally Posted by Gozer

I understand it as a counter-argument, but I don't understand it as an argument on its own. Why do gays want to embrace traditional marriage if there's so much wrong with it?

So that we can improve it. And Azure, I am not telling anybody to shut up about anything.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by frege64

So that we can improve it.

I doubt it.

You're not going change people who think divorce is the only answer to marriage problems.