Alberta women cross-border shopping for men

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Shakira

I'm not knocking Alberta boys, but I have to agree with the article. When I have been in the States, for some reason the men there approach you ALOT, and there methods of engaging in coverstaion is alot better than what I have experienced here.

So... You come here often?

[Claeren]

Originally Posted by Lucky123

You guys are hypocrticical, you criticize someone for making a statement about someone he actually knows, then go on to retaliate saying that you are justified because Yvonne has made Alberta guys sound bad. This is a worthless debate, Yvonne pinned down her opinions, not hiding behind a made up monicor, and yeah she opened up to her own criticism, but the personal attacks on her looks or her methods of dating are not necessary. When you can tell me that you have met her in person, and had a real live convo with her then those comments may have some validity. But even my comments won't stop all of you from continuing to post, like it or not there is alot of cowardace in calling someone out then saying your name is: Mi6200. Fortunatley this site does not wast ink [only the Herlad does, right?], just a little bit of time. Carry on people.

I actually post (a lot) using my own name??

And it is not like i don't have pretty strong views either, yet i sign my name to every post!

So that would actually make you the hypocrite. A HUGE one at that.


Claeren.

[rubecube]

For those wanting a pic...



She's in the middle.

[Claeren]

Originally Posted by Shakira

I'm not knocking Alberta boys, but I have to agree with the article. When I have been in the States, for some reason the men there approach you ALOT, and there methods of engaging in coverstaion is alot better than what I have experienced here.

Even if this is true in the absolute sense it says nothing of the actual quality of relationship.

Essentially the entire article broke down to 'if i get approached more i will find the man of my dreams' but you could just as easily (if not more so) make the opposite argument, that a man who hits on a lot of women and has no fear of hitting on women will often continue to hit on women even after establishing a relationship with one aforementioned women whereas here in Canada guys are more reserved because they don't waste time 'playing women' as much as they might in NYC, for example.

Quantity over quality for her it seems - which is fine for fun dating, but for marriage? Of course one short trip there would allow her to appreciate the quantity of attention without having to think about the quality.

A real newspaper worthy article would have examined other views - something this one did not.



But that type of back and forth debate is exactly why it is laughable - all it adds up to is slamming men, something that only seems to be allowed to go one way? Heaven forbid a few guys speak up about the double-standard? Is not even that allowed?

And for the record, the bashing of her looks was just internet crap some people do for laughs, she seems attractive enough. I know as a 28 year old guy though that she is not the type i would hit on, even in the picture i get 'that vibe' so many Alberta women have... and even if i am wrong, I haven't generalized more than she has! It is not like i am leaving the city/province/country to find a women! lol

(I thought the main one from the article was on the left though, and the middle one just had a few quotes? I don't really want to go back and re-read it...)



Claeren.

[FanIn80]

I think this is more like that Colin dude in Love Actually...

He's an ugly British guy, and he realizes that the reason he can't score any action is because everyone else in Britain is also British...

So, he moves to the US where the chicks don't see him as an ugly dude - they see him as an ugly dude with a cute British accent - and voila! He's in the game!


See... we all have cute Canadian accents, we just don't realize it because we're all Canadian. As soon as we go down to the US, though, we morph into the person with the cute Canadian accent, and we get in the game!

(I'm being tongue-in-cheek, but there is some truth to this.)

[Claeren]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I think this is more like that Colin dude in Love Actually...

He's an ugly British guy, and he realizes that the reason he can't score any action is because everyone else in Britain is also British...

So, he moves to the US where the chicks don't see him as an ugly dude - they see him as an ugly dude with a cute British accent - and voila! He's in the game!


See... we all have cute Canadian accents, we just don't realize it because we're all Canadian. As soon as we go down to the US, though, we morph into the person with the cute Canadian accent, and we get in the game!

(I'm being tongue-in-cheek, but there is some truth to this.)

Oh, you should approach the Herald and get a story written up about how all Canadian women are cowards but how people in other places like your cute accent so you are moving away to find your soulmate (and then add a few more one-sided paragraphs about how all Canadian women are cowards)!!! (*sarcasm!*)

I bet that would fly in a national newspaper feature!





Claeren.

[wpgflamesfan]

she looks like one of those stuck up broads that wants to be fed from a silver spoon. we don't need your gold diggin type up here.

[troutman]

This topic has caused quite a stir, and this thread was referenced in the Herald today (May 30th, C12).

I think men are annoyed with this story, because we all have been rejected many times for superficial reasons - not rich enough, not tall enough, not handsome enough, not educated enough. But, we don't throw the baby out with the bath water, and blame our misfortunes on an entire city of women.

The Laws of Attraction are cruel, and they are universal. It is difficult to make a love connection in Calgary, the U.S., or anywhere else in the world.

Also, I think many of the comments here were made with tongue in cheek. This is a public forum, but many posters speak here like it was a locker-room. Attempts at sarcasm or humor are often mis-read.

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...5-0bab17d6746e

She said, now he said
Men respond to Herald story on cross-border shopping for men

Michelle Magnan, Calgary Herald

Published: Friday, May 30, 2008
It seems Alberta men have some grievances to file with me.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by troutman

This topic has caused quite a stir, and this thread was referenced in the Herald today (May 30th).

Linky Linky? Or quote? please and thanks.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by troutman

This topic has caused quite a stir, and this thread was referenced in the Herald today (May 30th, C12).

I think men are annoyed with this story, because we all have been rejected many times for superficial reasons - not rich enough, not tall enough, not handsome enough, not educated enough. But, we don't throw the baby out with the bath water, and blame our misfortunes on an entire city of women.

The Laws of Attraction are cruel, and they are universal. It is difficult to make a love connection in Calgary, the U.S., or anywhere else in the world.

Also, I think many of the comments here were made with tongue in cheek. This is a public forum, but many posters speak here like it was a locker-room. Attempts at sarcasm or humor are often mis-read.

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...5-0bab17d6746e

She said, now he said
Men respond to Herald story on cross-border shopping for men

Michelle Magnan, Calgary Herald

Published: Friday, May 30, 2008
It seems Alberta men have some grievances to file with me.

Well the one guy blamed Alberta women saying that international women have more family values. The generalizations go both ways.

[Cowboy89]

I bet "Lucky 123" is the journalist because of the way that post tried to goude posters into using their name so it could be used in her article. I find it hilarious how our day to day entertainment causes such a stir.

[The Goon]

Yeehaw - I started a thread that made the Herald. I deserve a cookie or something.

[llama64]

Meh, if a girl wants a date she can ask a guy out.

Judging from the tone of the first article it sounds like the author was stuck for a topic and decided to write about some rant session she had with a couple of her friends. The follow up article is hilarious because she got paid to publish other people's work.

Women won the right to be moral equals with men. What comes with that is the leveling of the dating play field. It is no longer the man's responsibility to drive all courtship. If a woman is complaining that men aren't assertive, maybe it's not a problem with the guys but a problem with her own behavior... Most guys I know don't want anything to do with a narcissistic girl who expects to be waited upon.

And trust me, there are enough girls out there who get the dating scene to keep the guys happy. If you're having trouble, it's your own damn fault.

/rant

[Boblobla]

What great publicity for the site imo. Sure there are one or two comments that are a bit over the top but I think there was some pretty good discussion here.

[The Ditch]

nm

[CaptainCrunch]

Cause its Friday and I'm such a fun and lovable guy. I thought that I would post the top ten things wrong with dating expectations.

First of all though and as a Rider, everyone lies, men, woman, dogs, cats, parakeets.

Men lie about thier jobs, they lie about their cars, they'll lie about their importance in life, anything to get into a girls pants. woman are more insideous, they lie about personal stuff. Ever heard these

"I don't care about how he looks as long as he makes me laugh"
"I'm looking for a nice guy"
"I was a real ugly teenager when I was growing up"
"I'm shy"
"Size doesn't matter"

To me it breaks down to men are morons, woman are Satan's hand picked representatives on earth. I guess what bugged me about this Yvonne person is that she believes that its the mens fault that she's not getting the action that she desires. Now, I stopped drinking a while ago, because I'm a jerk when I drink, and I've really stopped going to bars and pubs since they're like a lake with 1 trout and 400 fishermen, 350 of which play the game far better then I do, which is fine, but after years of keen observation this is what I've found.

1) Woman in that setting expect the men to do all of the heavy lifting, I suppose they expect it in bed too but thats besides the point. They sit there and eye the crowd playing the game knowing that they're going to get approached by the desparate, the horny, the alcohol fortifide beserker. And even though every woman says that they're looking for that guy with the sense of humor, or that guy that treats her nice. She eyes up that guy like the Terminator eyeing up the wrong Sarah Conners and rejects him, and usually not in a nice way, they'll roll their eyes and turn their backs. And they do it for two reasons, one he doesn't fit into her pre-programmed role of what she wants. Two it boosts her self esteem to crush the poor who screwed up his courage to go over and talk to him.

2) Men brag about the wing man theory, woman take the whole squadron, we'll call it the 451 airgroup, the Vindictive. Do you girls know how intimidating it is for a guy to take a solo mission against that. Talking to a girl while her friends all evaluate you with their beady angry eyes, like your doctor looks at that irregular shapped moles. And knowing that after she shoots you down and you do the walk of shame to the other side of the bar, these woman are picking everything about you apart from your clothes to your hair to your approach. Again its a self esteem boost.

3) Woman think guys are all smooth and polished machines that have no fear on approaching them. They also don't think that we don't talk to our other friends at the bar. So shoot us down, and do it in a nasty way and you'll find that the only guy that approaches you is on a dare, and we call him funny Stan because he can't keep his discussion away from his porche, his penis size and the fact that her father was a thief.

4) If you want a free drink flirt with a bartender, I am not a flesh covered cosmopolitan dispenser who likes nothing better then to spend money on a 1 in a 1000 shot. Sure I'll buy a girl a drink, but that shouldn't be the opening requirement. I remember one friend of mine, and her thing was to open the negotiations with the guy having to buy her a drink.

5) Really we're not all rapists with only one thing on our mind, if we've gotten to the point of a conversation with you, we really don't need your body guard, unibrow Sally the girl that my own wingman won't look at vetting me like a guy making a cold call at the CIA. Really you don't need to be protected.

6) The other thing is that girls seem to expect guys to carry the conversation, then they cry that you're not a listener. Its so bizarre. They say they don't want lines, and thats true, but they want you to be witty and polished like Steve Colbert. Frankly we're not, we're awkward and sometime unsure, and we know that one mistep is going to be analyzed and dissected by your fighter squadron.

7) Woman lie, don't. Don't get our hopes up, but be nice, don't be the stuck up snotty woman, don't give us wrong phone numbers because your too much of a chicken sh$$ to let us down in a nice way. Really we don't carry guns and shanks.

8) You expect us to be interesting, so you should be too. Don't pour your heart out about your kitten or grandma, or any other conversation pieces that scream out "Nesting". We lose interest in that first conversation when you veer into the unfun zone.

9) Take on a mission, we guys are expected to fall on the sword for the good of the dating scene. Peel of from your squadron, barrel into mig alley and start talking to people. Its like the ultimate sales theory. If I go to a bar and approach 100 woman, chances are good that I'm going to find what I want. Same goes for girls, but chances are that they'll stand there and wait, and for the most part, the only ones that are going to approach them are not the ones that they want.

10) Do the Brit, guys will flock to you if you go to the bar without any panties on, you want dating action, flash the peace sign.

There are probably more, please add them on. But this Yvonne person wonders why she can't get men here, its because she's probably as a good looking girl followed every rule thats been passed down since the Cleopatra days. Sure she has more success in the States, because one of the first questions is where are you from, and she tells them that shes visiting from Alberta, which instantly flashes "One night stand", "vacation booty". Maybe she would have more luck with Alberta men if she said she was from New Mexico.

Fact is Yvonne didn't paint herself as a sympathetic character in that article, she painted herself as being a prime example of everything thats wrong with trying to find your significant other, which is tough enough without one side tilting the game away from herself.

So endth the lesson

Tune in next week when the Captain discusses culinary tips with Xantos from planet 35159.

[FireFly]

That's an excellent post Captain and I'll take your advice to heart. I have to admit I'm shy when I don't know people... have a hard time introducing myself to strangers unless it's forced (like our slo-pitch team). However, I have a question for you...

"10) Do the Brit, guys will flock to you if you go to the bar without any panties on, you want dating action, flash the peace sign."

I'm not quite sure what this means. You think I'll get a good man by flashing my crotch?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by FireFly

That's an excellent post Captain and I'll take your advice to heart. I have to admit I'm shy when I don't know people... have a hard time introducing myself to strangers unless it's forced (like our slo-pitch team). However, I have a question for you...

"10) Do the Brit, guys will flock to you if you go to the bar without any panties on, you want dating action, flash the peace sign."

I'm not quite sure what this means. You think I'll get a good man by flashing my crotch?

Not a good man, more along the line of the it will do variety. It'd get my attention.

I just wanted to throw that in because I admire any girl that has the beans to flash the naked in a public setting.

j/k

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I just wanted to throw that in because I admire any girl that has the beans to flash the naked in a public setting.

Hopefully she doesn't have beans...

That would catch everyones attention.

Gross.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Hopefully she doesn't have beans...

That would catch everyones attention.

Gross.

Mental beans my friend, we're not talking about going to bars in the Phillipines here.