I absolutely LOATHE "_________!"

[Flames09]

Originally Posted by jammies

Justin Timberlake can only be called "music" in the same way that the latest Gap billboard can be called "art".

...because you said so????? may not be your type of music but doesn't mean it's not music at all.

[WesternCanadaKing]

The 4th St and Elbow Drive interesection. Simply because whenever I'm walking home from school I always just miss the light and have to stand there and wait. No matter what time I'm walking the stupid hand starts flashing while I'm about 10 metres away. Every. Single. Time. Yeah, its only about 2 minutes that I have to wait, but just once I'd like to cross without having to wait.


Idiots who come into Staples asking where something is but can't describe what it is and use wild hand motions with extreme overuse of the word 'thing' as a result. I end up having to ask "Ok, what does it do, exactly?" and this doesn't really get me very far anyway. Also the customers who can't find the staples they are looking for, and feel the need to point out the irony of that. I don't know why this bugs me so much, I guess because its such an obvious joke.

[Locke]

People who dont signal. Its not hard.

Locke.

[ken0042]

Now that a few of us are into home renovations; what really ticks me off is people who are either Mr. Know-it-alls, or have to pick every little aspect of your project apart. As the saying goes; if you don't have something nice to say then don't say anything. If I didn't ask for your opinion then there's no need to put down my work. I know I'm not a professional (insert trade name here), but am just trying to do my best. If you aren't offering to help me with the project, I don't want to hear how you would have done it better.

And I'm not talking about me either. The other day a few of us around the neighbourhood were out in the lane chatting, and I asked the one guy to see how his basement was coming. Another neighbour felt it was his place to point out each and every defect. Whereas my comments were more along the lines of "hey- this is a good sized room. Great use of the space you had to use."

[604flames]

Originally Posted by WesternCanadaKing

Idiots who come into Staples asking where something is but can't describe what it is and use wild hand motions with extreme overuse of the word 'thing' as a result. I end up having to ask "Ok, what does it do, exactly?" and this doesn't really get me very far anyway. Also the customers who can't find the staples they are looking for, and feel the need to point out the irony of that. I don't know why this bugs me so much, I guess because its such an obvious joke.

Or people who ask us why we sell Easy buttons..

[BlackEleven]

People who can't control their children in public. Kids running around screaming, getting in the way, throwing a tantrum in the middle of the store, all while the parent does nothing -- that kind of thing really bothers me.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by jammies

People who think that every opinion is equally valid, no matter how ludicrous. Astrology cannot explain the future, past, or present; adding the word "natural" to food or drink doesn't automatically make it healthy: your computer, like all inanimate objects, is incapable of being out to get you; logical thought is not a tool of The Man to keep you oppressed; "feelings" do not trump facts; and Justin Timberlake can only be called "music" in the same way that the latest Gap billboard can be called "art".

Your personal experience with the paranormal does not prove it exists any more than my experiences with LSD proved that colours can be tasted; your child is probably not especially clever nor beautiful (other than in the way that all children are); you do look rather fat in those jeans; chances are pretty good that you aren't a particularly good driver nor are you as attractive to the opposite sex as you think you are.

Flipping a coin and getting heads 10 times in a row means you have about a 50/50 chance of getting heads again next time you do the flip despite your intuition otherwise; if you ask an expert for an informed opinion and you don't agree with it, you are most likely wrong and he or she is right, especially when your idea is "common sense" and theirs isn't; alternative medicine is not being held back by the drug companies/doctors; you really do snore and since YOU ARE SLEEPING WHEN IT HAPPENS it's obvious that you are in denial when you claim otherwise.

If you have a simple solution to a complex problem, it has already been tried and failed to work; nuclear power is more environmentally friendly than coal, oil, or hydro, so if you were really environmentally conscious and not just a freakin' Luddite, you'd support it; if magic worked then we'd be flying brooms instead of jetplanes; meat is not murder unless you're a cannibal; and Jesus not only doesn't love you, he wishes you'd mind your own damn business already.

Post of the year.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by jammies

People who think that every opinion is equally valid, no matter how ludicrous. Astrology cannot explain the future, past, or present; adding the word "natural" to food or drink doesn't automatically make it healthy: your computer, like all inanimate objects, is incapable of being out to get you; logical thought is not a tool of The Man to keep you oppressed; "feelings" do not trump facts; and Justin Timberlake can only be called "music" in the same way that the latest Gap billboard can be called "art".

Your personal experience with the paranormal does not prove it exists any more than my experiences with LSD proved that colours can be tasted; your child is probably not especially clever nor beautiful (other than in the way that all children are); you do look rather fat in those jeans; chances are pretty good that you aren't a particularly good driver nor are you as attractive to the opposite sex as you think you are.

Flipping a coin and getting heads 10 times in a row means you have about a 50/50 chance of getting heads again next time you do the flip despite your intuition otherwise; if you ask an expert for an informed opinion and you don't agree with it, you are most likely wrong and he or she is right, especially when your idea is "common sense" and theirs isn't; alternative medicine is not being held back by the drug companies/doctors; you really do snore and since YOU ARE SLEEPING WHEN IT HAPPENS it's obvious that you are in denial when you claim otherwise.

If you have a simple solution to a complex problem, it has already been tried and failed to work; nuclear power is more environmentally friendly than coal, oil, or hydro, so if you were really environmentally conscious and not just a freakin' Luddite, you'd support it; if magic worked then we'd be flying brooms instead of jetplanes; meat is not murder unless you're a cannibal; and Jesus not only doesn't love you, he wishes you'd mind your own damn business already.

Pretty much everything in this post…ignorance and pessimism at its finest

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by J pold

Pretty much everything in this post…ignorance and pessimism at its finest

Huh? I thought everything, with the exception of the last paragraph, was bang on. Obviously some sarcasm and hyperbole thrown in there. He's right, people need to get over themselves.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Flames09

...because you said so????? may not be your type of music but doesn't mean it's not music at all.

It is music made by committee, with an eye on marketability over vision, and process over inspiration. People like it precisely because it means nothing, you don't have to know anything about music to enjoy it, it is a musical Wendy's burger, something to be consumed and forgotten.

It *is* music, but not good music, just like the Gap billboard is, technically, art - but not good art and certainly nowhere near great. I don't care if you do like it, listen to whatever you want and enjoy it without my permission or anybody else's - I just cannot agree with anyone who claims it is GOOD music, and that this opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

I like Wendy's, but I don't claim that I know as much as the gourmets, and that it is actually GOOD food. I like action films, but I'm not a film critic and I don't think they should win Oscars. I read Stephen King, but I'm not a literature maven and I don't see any Pulitzers in his future. Go ahead and listen to JT, but don't expect me to take any argument that he doesn't suck seriously, because, as someone who DOES know something about music, you can take it from me that he does.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by J pold

Pretty much everything in this post…ignorance and pessimism at its finest

Well I'm glad you didn't just take the easy way out to come up with a pithy one-liner, but instead used a carefully constructed argument to refute at least one of the points you, apparently, vehemently disagreed with. Oh wait...

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by jammies

It is music made by committee, with an eye on marketability over vision, and process over inspiration. People like it precisely because it means nothing, you don't have to know anything about music to enjoy it, it is a musical Wendy's burger, something to be consumed and forgotten.

It *is* music, but not good music, just like the Gap billboard is, technically, art - but not good art and certainly nowhere near great. I don't care if you do like it, listen to whatever you want and enjoy it without my permission or anybody else's - I just cannot agree with anyone who claims it is GOOD music, and that this opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

I like Wendy's, but I don't claim that I know as much as the gourmets, and that it is actually GOOD food. I like action films, but I'm not a film critic and I don't think they should win Oscars. I read Stephen King, but I'm not a literature maven and I don't see any Pulitzers in his future. Go ahead and listen to JT, but don't expect me to take any argument that he doesn't suck seriously, because, as someone who DOES know something about music, you can take it from me that he does.

I really wish you'd just tell us how you feel.

My latest "absolutely loathe" is the fact that Lindsay Lohan is news worthy. Why? She is a drunk, coked up, vapid anorexic whore who should do us all a favour and make sure she is going 110 mp/h next time she hits a telephone pole.

[Jetsfan]

Women with strollers in the mall who think that their stroller is a "deflector shield" like on Star Trek allowing them to push through whomever they choose.

[Flames09]

People who believe anything and everything the news tells them. Also people who believe celeberties lives are important, I really don't care what Britney Spears had for breakfast or when she took a poop tell me meaningful news like current situations in Africa, the War in Iraq, real facts about the deaths in the Middle East because of this War. I'm sick of stupid people and their obsession with people they don't know, get a life, it's this kind of attitude that allowed events like the Genocide in Rwanda happen, absolutley ZERO attention for the real things that matter in life.

[Asian Lilliputian]

Does anyone loathe the guy in my avatar?

[J pold]

Originally Posted by jammies

Well I'm glad you didn't just take the easy way out to come up with a pithy one-liner, but instead used a carefully constructed argument to refute at least one of the points you, apparently, vehemently disagreed with. Oh wait...

People who think that every opinion is equally valid, no matter how ludicrous. (Guess what I think your post is ignorant and pessimistic you think its right…but BOTH of our opinions are equal you can’t tell someone that your opinion is better or more valid its there opinion if they want to have it so be it) Astrology cannot explain the future, past, or present(Got some proof for this? I don’t believe in horoscopes or much astrology for that matter but some people do…what does it matter to you, does it have any bearing on your life if a culture wants to use the stars explain the un-known just because you don’t believe doesn’t make it wrong) adding the word "natural" to food or drink doesn't automatically make it healthy: your computer, like all inanimate objects, is incapable of being out to get you; logical thought is not a tool of The Man to keep you oppressed; "feelings" do not trump facts; and Justin Timberlake can only be called "music" in the same way that the latest Gap billboard can be called "art".

Your personal experience with the paranormal does not prove it exists any more than my experiences with LSD proved that colors can be tasted (again if people want to believe in the paranormal because of there own personal experience let them…just because it hasn’t happened to you doesn’t give you the right to tell them that they are wrong or that it doesn’t exist); your child is probably not especially clever nor beautiful (other than in the way that all children are)(God forbid a parent think there young child is beautiful or smart…more parents should take your outlook on life…yeah my child is pretty ugly and stupid); you do look rather fat in those jeans; chances are pretty good that you aren't a particularly good driver nor are you as attractive to the opposite sex as you think you are.(if you want to go around thinking you’re a poor driver and unattractive that’s fine, but don’t tell me I am I tend to believe in self confidence)

Flipping a coin and getting heads 10 times in a row means you have about a 50/50 chance of getting heads again next time you do the flip despite your intuition otherwise; if you ask an expert for an informed opinion and you don't agree with it, you are most likely wrong and he or she is right, especially when your idea is "common sense" and theirs isn't(you can’t tell someone there opinion is wrong even if your are expert…if your tell someone that 2+2=4 even though most would agree that you are 100% correct if they think 2+2=5 than that is there opinion its not right and its not wrong its just there opinion you can disagree like most would but if they believe its right than that is there opinion) ; alternative medicine is not being held back by the drug companies/doctors; you really do snore and since YOU ARE SLEEPING WHEN IT HAPPENS it's obvious that you are in denial when you claim otherwise.

If you have a simple solution to a complex problem, it has already been tried and failed to work; nuclear power is more environmentally friendly than coal, oil, or hydro, so if you were really environmentally conscious and not just a freakin' Luddite, you'd support it; if magic worked then we'd be flying brooms instead of jet planes; meat is not murder unless you're a cannibal(now see if you can grasp this in your opinion its not murder, I cannot tell your opinion is wrong because its your opinion…do I disagree? Absolutely but that is your opinion); and Jesus not only doesn't love you, he wishes you'd mind your own damn business already.

[Flashpoint]

nt - question answered.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by J pold

... (Guess what I think your post is ignorant and pessimistic you think its right…but BOTH of our opinions are equal you can’t tell someone that your opinion is better or more valid its there opinion if they want to have it so be it)

You mistake possible for probable - just because an opinion is POSSIBLY correct, doesn't mean it is equal to an opinion that is PROBABLY correct, so there are better and more valid opinions for certain subjects - not ALL subjects, as some things are entirely subjective (for example, if I don't like the taste of pickles, that is entirely subjective and it isn't possible to be right or wrong, this is an opinion that simply *is*)

To illustrate, it is *possible* that little elves run my messages down the wires to calgarypuck, I mean, you can't PROVE it doesn't happen, can you? All this talk of electrons and photons might be a big hoax - have you ever actually SEEN an electron? No? Well, there is exactly just as much evidence for those little internet elves (ie - none) as there is for a subject such as, oh, say, astrology - however, just because many people believe in the latter and not the former, somehow I should respect this opinion? No, I'll go with what is likely true as opposed to what is certainly fantasy, every time.

Originally Posted by J pold

Astrology cannot explain the future, past, or present(Got some proof for this? I don’t believe in horoscopes or much astrology for that matter but some people do…what does it matter to you, does it have any bearing on your life if a culture wants to use the stars explain the un-known just because you don’t believe doesn’t make it wrong)

Astrology is based on the Ptolemaic theory of the planets, which puts earth at the centre of the universe, with all the planets, Sun, and Moon in orbit around it. Celestial objects supposedly move thru the different houses of the zodiac (which radiate out from the stationary earth), and these movements then supposedly influence events and people. As we now know (not opinion, but observed fact), the earth is not at the centre of the universe, it moves around the Sun and not vice-versa, and thus the entire basis for astrology is false. It's like claiming all cheese is based on asteroids fallen down from the Moon, when, as we are now aware, the moon is unfortunately not made of cheese.

Further, astrologists have been set up in experiments where they are given the date, time, and place of a person's birth, and asked to forecast their personalities, lives, and future. Uniformly, they do no better than random grad students asked to do the same thing with absolutely no knowledge of astrology. This is compelling evidence in the mind of any rational person that astrology is bunk, and anyone who believes it it, believes in what is demonstrably false.

As far as what harm does such belief do, it does plenty. I know people (invariably, for whatever reason, women) who actually base life-changing decisions on what some mumbo-jumbo merchant tells them is the right thing to do. I don't think that is right, and I think that is plenty harmful enough to make me want to speak up about how astrology is utter, complete, non-debatable crap.

Originally Posted by J pold

Your personal experience with the paranormal does not prove it exists any more than my experiences with LSD proved that colors can be tasted (again if people want to believe in the paranormal because of there own personal experience let them…just because it hasn’t happened to you doesn’t give you the right to tell them that they are wrong or that it doesn’t exist)

Where am I telling them they are wrong? I am saying that such experiences aren't proof of anything. Maybe there are ghosts - I doubt it, but whenever the argument comes up, saying "I saw a ghost, so they must exist" doesn't act as some magic end to the issue, as people seem to think. I've experienced many things, usually under (but not always) the influence of psychoactive drugs, and what it has taught me is that you cannot trust what you THINK you have experienced, unless there is some evidence outside your mind that exists to corroborate your story.

Originally Posted by J pold

; your child is probably not especially clever nor beautiful (other than in the way that all children are)(God forbid a parent think there young child is beautiful or smart…more parents should take your outlook on life…yeah my child is pretty ugly and stupid);

Did you miss the part where I said *all* children are clever and beautiful? The key word is ESPECIALLY, I loathe parents whose child can do no wrong, who are blind to his/her flaws and who think every mundane task their child accomplishes deserves to be trumpeted to the heavens. These are the parents whose children grow up stupid, vain and self-centred, and at the root of it lies an inability to confront the reality that little Johnny or Joanie isn't the absolute pinnacle of humanity's efforts on this world so far.

Originally Posted by J pold

you do look rather fat in those jeans; chances are pretty good that you aren't a particularly good driver nor are you as attractive to the opposite sex as you think you are.(if you want to go around thinking you’re a poor driver and unattractive that’s fine, but don’t tell me I am I tend to believe in self confidence)

There's nothing wrong with self-confidence, I am talking about self-delusion. Isn't it amazing how every time you talk about bad drivers, every one in the conversation happens to know ABOUT a bad driver, or has recently had an experience WITH a bad driver, but no one ever believes THEY might be a bad driver? Is there some secret city, maybe underneath the ground, where all the bad drivers go after sundown to drink and swap stories about how they spent all day cutting people off, driving slow in the fast lane and fast in the slow lane, blowing thru stop signs and swerving to hit kitties and puppies while laughing like Snidely Whiplash?

As far as sex appeal goes, I am talking about those guys and girls who so obviously feel they are absolutely the king dong or the supremo. News flash - the world is full of attractive people, there are literally thousands and thousands of people right here in your city that are as attractive as you are, or better, so get over yourself already.

Originally Posted by J pold

if you ask an expert for an informed opinion and you don't agree with it, you are most likely wrong and he or she is right, especially when your idea is "common sense" and theirs isn't(you can’t tell someone there opinion is wrong even if your are expert…if your tell someone that 2+2=4 even though most would agree that you are 100% correct if they think 2+2=5 than that is there opinion its not right and its not wrong its just there opinion you can disagree like most would but if they believe its right than that is there opinion)

You can't be serious, can you? Mathematics is not a matter of opinion, and 2+2=4 is provable without using mathematics anyway - if you have 2 dead monkeys, and I give you 2 more dead monkeys, you will never ever have 5 dead monkeys unless you already had one stashed in the freezer. It is like saying Martin Luther King's first name is spelled Dudley - it is a statement that carries its own falsehood nestled inside.

Mathematics is a created abstraction with rules about what is and isn't true within its various systems, so you CAN prove whether something is true or not inside of it, and there can be no debate, especially not "debate by fiat" where I simply say something is so because I believe it. (Leaving aside unprovable theorems within mathematical systems, which don't apply in this case as 2+2=4 is not a theorem, but a function). You must have picked the absolute worst example I've ever seen for this debate, as mathematics is all ABOUT proving things within a system, as no other discipline, even science, is as strongly. The only way you can make 2+2=5 is by changing what +, 2, =, or 5 means, which is fine, but again that doesn't make it a matter of OPINION but of changing the rules of your mathematics.

Originally Posted by J pold

meat is not murder unless you're a cannibal(now see if you can grasp this in your opinion its not murder, I cannot tell your opinion is wrong because its your opinion…do I disagree? Absolutely but that is your opinion)

Murder is the killing of a human being. Meat animals are not human (unless you are Sawney Bean), therefore meat is not murder. "Fur is murder" is another one that annoys the hell out of me - it might be wrong to kill animals just for their fur, and I do think this is mostly correct, but hyperbole is not going to impress anyone but the weak-minded.

[lifer]

Originally Posted by jammies

You mistake possible for probable - just because an opinion is POSSIBLY correct, doesn't mean it is equal to an opinion that is PROBABLY correct, so there are better and more valid opinions for certain subjects - not ALL subjects, as some things are entirely subjective (for example, if I don't like the taste of pickles, that is entirely subjective and it isn't possible to be right or wrong, this is an opinion that simply *is*)...


...Murder is the killing of a human being. Meat animals are not human (unless you are Sawney Bean), therefore meat is not murder. "Fur is murder" is another one that annoys the hell out of me - it might be wrong to kill animals just for their fur, and I do think this is mostly correct, but hyperbole is not going to impress anyone but the weak-minded.

wow. (note to self: don't pick a fight with jammies)

[J pold]

Originally Posted by jammies

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Meh you win…