The Flames' handling/plan for Zayne Parekh..

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Tom Willander has also been exceptional, so this insult isn't what you think it is. The only young guy who really struggled was D-Petey. It's less that "Zeev's been better than bad players" and more "Zeev has performed well in all the situations he has been put it."

Exceptional? He's got points but massively underwater on possession stats.

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Buium just turned 20 as well and he has been fine. Gets lots of minutes.

I think it just takes longer for offensive defensemen to adjust. It is not the end of the world if it takes him a year or 2 more to be ready for the NHL.

Buium has not been fine, from my friends who watch the Canucks, he has been pretty ass, very bad defensively and not much offence

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Z names in general are mean


Though Zeev is a choice...

His mom is Israeli, and Zeev is a pretty common name in Hebrew.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Exceptional? He's got points but massively underwater on possession stats.

Which is what you'd expect on a team that is a giant tire fire. He has looked exceptional.

Originally Posted by gvitaly

His mom is Israeli, and Zeev is a pretty common name in Hebrew.

I know this. It's still a choice for a kid in San Diego. Right up there with names like "Morton" and "Wilbur"

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Which is what you'd expect on a team that is a giant tire fire. He has looked exceptional.





I know this. It's still a choice for a kid in San Diego. Right up there with names like "Morton" and "Wilbur"

Okay, Blaster.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Buium has not been fine, from my friends who watch the Canucks, he has been pretty ass, very bad defensively and not much offence

Weird I have a friend who is a Canucks fan that said he has been amazing.

In the games I have watched where he has played, he has been good.

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Weird I have a friend who is a Canucks fan that said he has been amazing.

In the games I have watched where he has played, he has been good.

Not sure, have not watched him myself, but this month he had 10 games, with 20 minute average time on ice, and only 9 shots on net with 2 assists. With both assists coming on the PP

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Not sure, have not watched him myself, but this month he had 10 games, with 20 minute average time on ice, and only 9 shots on net with 2 assists

The Canucks are by far the worst team in the NHL. He is one of the few players that doesn't look the part. Expecting huge counting stats in this situation is drunk person thinking.

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

The Canucks are by far the worst team in the NHL. He is one of the few players that doesn't look the part. Expecting huge counting stats in this situation is drunk person thinking.

Then why do we care about Zayne’s stats?

[Blaster86]

####ed if I know, I'm not a Flames fan. Deal with your own stupid fans, I've already got my hands full on that front.

[looooob]

I may regret bringing up the comparison as partly I will be dating myself, but also the player types aren't a complete match, and I'll be unfair to ZP as I'm comparing him to an inner circle HOFer (IMO) but anyhow


Flames drafted Al MacInnis at 15 OV in 1981


in his D+1 season he basically went back to the OHL, put up some nice offensive numbers after getting into 2 NHL games


in his D+2 season he played 14 NHL games, put up 3 points and had a strong OHL season (one of the ones that compared to ZPs D0 and D+1 years) with 38 goals in 51 games. At that point (admittedly I was a kid) I think if you asked anyone he was a defensive misadventure and no one thought of him as NHL ready


for those 2 training camps and the ones that followed was never quite sure if he would make the club but he as basically viewed as a one trick (slap shot) pony, if he could get that on net and not kill his teammates with it that is. In his D+3 year he played 19 games on the farm (point per game- different era mind you) and 51 in the NHL, he was a minus player (for the last time in 19 years)


by 84-85 he was a regular but still didn't have much of a reputation league wide, though he did represent the Flames at the all-star game. by 85-86 he was cooking (IMO) but his reputation hadn't caught up- he had 54 points and was a plus 37 playing a top 4 role on a cup finalist. Yet he only finished 16th in AS voting behind not only his rookie teammate Suter, but once or future flames like Sarge, Ramage and Brad Marsh.


in his D+6 season he made the 2nd allstar team and got Norris votes, he got Norris votes (including multiple top 3 finishes and a win) in 11 of the next 17 years. despite being a defensive 'joke' reputation wise for the first 4-5 years of his career he ended up (yes this stat has its limits) as 16th in career plus minus (the top 20 are all HOFers mostly inner circle and Brad McCrimmon- a story for another day)


anyhow they are different players and play a different style, but Chopper was viewed (certainly by late Calgary years and all of his ST L tenure) as a great defensive and all around player- it took a while for him to learn and even longer for his reputation to catch up. suspect if it wasn't for Bourque (and I suppose Coffey but I prefer MacInnis to Coffey- homer alert I know) there would have been multiple Norris trophies on the mantle


anyhow long rambling aside ZP has not fallen behind #2 at this juncture and will be keeping pace even with a 70:30 NHL:AHL split or similar next year

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

The Canucks are by far the worst team in the NHL. He is one of the few players that doesn't look the part. Expecting huge counting stats in this situation is drunk person thinking.

While I agree with you that is a filter that should be applied, generally. But it's the same environment we are assessing our players under, so when comparing against our players, it is immaterial.

[442scotty]

Hopefully Parekh doesn’t have the same issues the Hughes boys have with injuries. They always seem to be injured!

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Z names in general are mean


Though Zeev is a choice...

I went to school with a guy named Zoltan David. I was always highly impressed when a new prof/TA didn't say his name backwards.

[cam_calderon]

Blaster is an antisemite confirmed.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Blaster is an antisemite confirmed.

Listen, there are some aura-farming Hebrew/Jewish names. Azaria. Ronen. Moshe.


Zeev? Bb wut iz u doin.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Weird I have a friend who is a Canucks fan that said he has been amazing.

In the games I have watched where he has played, he has been good.

5 points -8 and like 2 wins, enough for the narrative he hasn't been amazing

its pure cope...being forced to trade the 26 year old 2nd best dman on earth is a ####ing disaster

[activeStick]

People are going to have their differing opinions, so I get it, but I watch most Canucks games as one of my friends is a massive Canuck fan (she moved to Toronto from Vancouver) and I would agree that I can see the talent, but disagree that he's been "amazing" or "exceptional". He's going to be a good one for the Canucks though, for sure.

[GioforPM]

We need to quit polluting the Parekh thread with posts about filthy Canucks.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

####ed if I know, I'm not a Flames fan. Deal with your own stupid fans, I've already got my hands full on that front.

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