It does cut both ways though. Both parties have been talking about how if the other side wins, democracy will end as we know it. The Democrats are saying that Trump will give himself ultimate power, etc. and the Republicans are saying that the Democrats would shut down free speech platforms like Twitter if things don't align with their narrative.
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Don’t underestimate the amount of people voting for Trump who think it is a vote for democracy
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That's how I am interpreting that concern for "democracy" too. Too many people actually believe that the election was stolen. A vote for Trump is a vote for the truth and for democracy, in their warped version of reality.
Sure, but they did splits by candidate. And the vast majority of people who identified democracy as their #1 issue were voting for Harris.
very early, but even in the rural counties in Indiana that are already coming in, Harris is consistently outperforming Bidens numbers so far. Might bode well, who knows.
Yeah, there's some (very early and very preliminary) encouraging signs for Harris in Indiana. She won't win the state or anything, but a lot of the counties are showing a slight shift towards Democrats. Chances are it's early/mail in votes being counted first driving that, but some of them have counted enough votes that that might not be the entire cause of the numbers.
Hamilton County (suburban Indianapolis) has currently shifted 8 points towards the Democrats compared to 2020 and 20 points compared to 2016, with about 66% reporting. That will almost surely drop. But based on the numbers, Harris already has 33% of the total vote, even if she didn't get a single other vote from the uncounted votes. In 2016 by comparison, Clinton only got 36.7% of the vote, so Harris has already just about. matched that with 1/3rd of votes left to be counted.
I feel like the U.S needs an all hand on deck level of voter turn out just to silence either side.
Voter apathy does nobody any good today.
I also hate how important the U.S presidential election has as big effect on Canada as it does. I get why, but it sucks.
Harris has actually gone pretty hard after high propensity voters, and Trump has gone after low. While a big portion of a win would probably be the swing splitting towards Harris, there is also the likihood that the people Trump targets no shows. Or you even get sitting out by Trump hating reps. So there is a sense in which a low turn out could turn into very good news for Harris.
Florida's shift from swing state to what it is now is insane. Trump is up 11 points in Miami-Dade with 77% reporting. Biden won that county by 7 points and Clinton won it by nearly 30 points.
I took a quick scan and didn’t see anybody with Trump taking all swing states.
Polling looks to have been the most accurate in recent elections with about a half 1.25% under reporting of Trump support and a 1.25% over reporting of Harris support maybe a 1.5. We will see once the final numbers come in.
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Legitimately asking... she was up only one point nationally, Trump has been up one point in GA and PA was dead even. All the predictions of Harris landslide just assumed the polling was massively off?
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Can't believe I under-estimated the EC. I figured one of the swing states would go Harris (Wisconsin), but apathetic Democrats didn't vote. The rubecube effect (if you're not going to do everything I want I'm not going to vote!) hit us hard and will allow all of the damage those various voters were so concerned about to be accomplished anyway.
You didn't like Harris' position on Israel? Well Trump is about to let Bibi unleash hell. You didn't like the lackadaisical approach to women's reproductive rights by the Dems? Well Trump will now hammer through a national abortion ban. You didn't like the immigration system? Well Trump is about to open hunting season on asylum seekers. You weren't enthused by Harris? Well Trump is about to reshape government and the courts so any freedoms you thought minorities held (especially LGBTQ) are certain to be eliminated all together. But you stood on your principles and didn't vote! Yeah, you sure showed everyone... what a ####ing idiot you are and how badly you don't understand how the political process works.
Can't believe I under-estimated the EC. I figured one of the swing states would go Harris (Wisconsin), but apathetic Democrats didn't vote. The rubecube effect (if you're not going to do everything I want I'm not going to vote!) hit us hard and will allow all of the damage those various voters were so concerned about to be accomplished anyway.
You didn't like Harris' position on Israel? Well Trump is about to let Bibi unleash hell. You didn't like the lackadaisical approach to women's reproductive rights by the Dems? Well Trump will now hammer through a national abortion ban. You didn't like the immigration system? Well Trump is about to open hunting season on asylum seekers. You weren't enthused by Harris? Well Trump is about to reshape government and the courts so any freedoms you thought minorities held (especially LGBTQ) are certain to be eliminated all together. But you stood on your principles and didn't vote! Yeah, you sure showed everyone... what a ####ing idiot you are and how badly you don't understand how the political process works.
Dems didn’t lose because progressives and minorities stayed home, they lost because they failed to connect with middle America and the working class, again.
But keep screaming at the minorities you hate but pretend to like when you think they’re useful to you and see where that gets you.
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Dems didn’t lose because progressives and minorities stayed home, they lost because they failed to connect with middle America and the working class, again.
But keep screaming at the minorities you hate but pretend to like when you think they’re useful to you and see where that gets you.
We've said this consistently through this election, and I got called a Trumper for doing it. The Dems can keep burying their head in the sand or realize what the electorate is telling them and make meaningful changes to how they connect with the people.
Clearly the demonizing and labeling everyone who disagrees with the Democrats as dumb, racist, fascist, misogynistic, etc. is a terrible strategy. Turns out when you call people names and try to minimize their views, they don't want to vote for you.
This election should have been a layup, and now all the blame is going to the American electorate, rather than any accountability on the Dems for running a disasterclass of a campaign. Looking at the polls and his favourability, Joe should have stepped back WAY before he did so that the Democrats could have gotten a candidate in there that went through the primaries and had an opportunity to put forth a platform other than "Trump is terrible, so you should vote for me". That could very well have been Harris, but the way they went about it turned a lot of people off, and then the Democrats did themselves zero favours with the campaign they ran once she was the candidate.
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