[GDT] Locker Clean Out Day!

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

So where’s Coronato?

He can cook in the minors until a spot opens up.
He isn't ready yet anyways.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

He can cook in the minors until a spot opens up.
He isn't ready yet anyways.

He could definitely cook in the minors but I'm going to fight back on the comment that he isn't ready yet. He was looking really confident at the end of the season. I wouldn't be surprised if he came in and had wicked camp and earned a spot on the team next year.

[Flames2007FIRE IT UP]

The players are all individual contractors as well. There are only about 730 NHL jobs. For the Flames and most bottom end teams the players truly are playing for their jobs and another year or 2. When I look at the D as an example - Weegar and Anderrson probably had little to play for. Everyone else was fighting for a job, contract and/or to stay at the NHL level. The forwards are not that different. Huberdeau, Kadri are fairly secure and going to get paid for the next number of years. Backlund is an established NHL player but if he mails it in, has some injury issues next year, his next contract might be an issue. Mangiapane is an established player but looking to get paid next summer. Very few NHL players are in a position to take many night off. And the ones who are probably are because they rarely have off nights (Crosby, Mackinnon, etc group).

Even for Kadri - i am not saying he wants out but if he did playing well makes a trade much easier. The players individually almost always have something to play for.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

He can cook in the minors until a spot opens up.
He isn't ready yet anyways.

He looked MUCH better on his last call-up, down the stretch.

Add another summer of strengthening and working on his skating, and it's a very good bet that he is a full-time NHLer next year. It would be concerning if he wasn't.

[getbak]

Does anyone know if Penguins fans are losing their #### over the fact the team made a late push for the playoffs -- which fell short?


They were in the 9th overall draft position at the trade deadline and finished in the 14th overall spot. They swapped places with the Flames, who were 14th at the deadline and finished 9th.

Given some of the reactions here to what the Flames did, I assume there are riots in the streets in Pittsburgh.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by getbak

Does anyone know if Penguins fans are losing their #### over the fact the team made a late push for the playoffs -- which fell short?


They were in the 9th overall draft position at the trade deadline and finished in the 14th overall spot. They swapped places with the Flames, who were 14th at the deadline and finished 9th.

Given some of the reactions here to what the Flames did, I assume there are riots in the streets in Pittsburgh.

The Pens have to send the pick to the Sharks anyway because it finished outside of the top 10. It’s probably better that way for them in the long run.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by getbak

Does anyone know if Penguins fans are losing their #### over the fact the team made a late push for the playoffs -- which fell short?


They were in the 9th overall draft position at the trade deadline and finished in the 14th overall spot. They swapped places with the Flames, who were 14th at the deadline and finished 9th.

Given some of the reactions here to what the Flames did, I assume there are riots in the streets in Pittsburgh.

Points after the trade deadline:

SJS: 10
ANA: 10
CBJ: 10
PHI: 13
CGY: 14
SEA: 14
CHI: 15
NJD: 15
MTL: 18
DET: 19
BUF: 21
MIN: 21
ARI: 22
PIT: 24
OTT: 24

The Flames out-tanked everyone that mattered, and all we see is fans bitching and whining that they won meaningless games and the franchise continues to pursue the wrong things.

It's unbelievable. And ridiculous.

[McG]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Unless you’re outright throwing games on purpose, you can’t will a team to lose.

These games might not have been important to fans or the team itself, but they were important to the players. Good luck turning that off and on at will. The players don’t care about draft position, they’re playing for pride, each other, and themselves. If you want them to act like losers, all you’re ever going to get are losers.

The Flames were the 4th worst team after the deadline. When you look at where they were and the team on paper, it’s hard to argue they were anything but as bad as they could possibly be without outright throwing games.

I just hate the “they could have done less” mentality. I think it’s for losers. It’s one thing if the team is just built to be terrible, but having a team play worse than it is on purpose is just pathetic and embarrassing.

We aren’t going to change our individual views and I know that the majority of CP would agree with you on this.

agree that players are motivated (and paid) to perform. I think that some players are more motivated than others at different times. I think it’s embarrassing and pathetic when players show up when it doesn’t matter. I also don’t know how to intentionally lose without it looking like intentionally losing.

Why the heroic efforts when it’s too late? What is to be gained by playing injured players instead of looking at younger players in different roles or giving them more ice time? Instead of wins, how about development? Have “maintenance days”.

I’ve watched these “wins for pride because we aren’t losers” since 1980. I’ve supported “culture of winning” for years, only to see 2-7-1 starts the following season. How many draft picks over the years have flames won their way out of when the season is done? Remember any of those games?

All of the angst over where the Canucks finish, how far Vegas goes, Dallas going deep, instead of determining what are essentially superior picks that the flames can influence.

Literally we are debating 3 wins that will prolong the rebuild. It’s the Colorado model we should be following as well as the Dallas model.

I’ll give you this though; it’s much more likely that flames finish bottom 10 next season and give up Florida’s pick because flames players couldn’t lose.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The Flames out-tanked everyone that mattered, and all we see is fans bitching and whining that they won meaningless games and the franchise continues to pursue the wrong things.

It's unbelievable. And ridiculous.

And they played the Ducks twice, the Sharks twice, the Hawks and the Habs and the Sabres and the Coyotes. They were never going to lose them all.

[McG]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Points after the trade deadline:

SJS: 10
ANA: 10
CBJ: 10
PHI: 13
CGY: 14
SEA: 14
CHI: 15
NJD: 15
MTL: 18
DET: 19
BUF: 21
MIN: 21
ARI: 22
PIT: 24
OTT: 24

The Flames out-tanked everyone that mattered, and all we see is fans bitching and whining that they won meaningless games and the franchise continues to pursue the wrong things.

It's unbelievable. And ridiculous.

I think this is aimed at me.

I recognize that I’m in the minority on CP about this. I believe that the franchise is more important than this year’s version. I would have preferred 3 more losses to wins. It didn’t happen; we pick 9th. How is a different view unbelievable and ridiculous?

[FlamesAddiction]

I am not sure that there is a difference in tier or prospect caliber between the 5-10 spots anyway. The odds of players likely to be selected in that range becoming impact NHL players are probably pretty much the same.

If a team that finished slightly ahead of the Flames ends up winning the lottery, I guess it might matter more.

Personally, I thought even after the deadline, the Flames would be drafting in the 10-12 range. Anything higher than that seemed unlikely to me based on the schedule remaining, so they still out tanked my expectations.

[jayswin]

nm

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Points after the trade deadline:

SJS: 10
ANA: 10
CBJ: 10
PHI: 13
CGY: 14
SEA: 14
CHI: 15
NJD: 15
MTL: 18
DET: 19
BUF: 21
MIN: 21
ARI: 22
PIT: 24
OTT: 24

The Flames out-tanked everyone that mattered, and all we see is fans bitching and whining that they won meaningless games and the franchise continues to pursue the wrong things.

It's unbelievable. And ridiculous.

Yeah I don't know how anyone can be mad about what happened from a long term perspective. It's not a mucky middle finish. Many like Wills said they wouldn't be getting a top 10 pick and were proven wrong. Button and his staff will be happy they have a lot of good options with the 9th overall pick. You can find superstars there more easily than at 14 for sure

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by McG

I think this is aimed at me.

I recognize that I’m in the minority on CP about this. I believe that the franchise is more important than this year’s version. I would have preferred 3 more losses to wins. It didn’t happen; we pick 9th. How is a different view unbelievable and ridiculous?

Not directed at you, directed at the posters that were whining that they didn't lose more, and whined after every win.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Points after the trade deadline:

SJS: 10
ANA: 10
CBJ: 10
PHI: 13
CGY: 14
SEA: 14
CHI: 15
NJD: 15
MTL: 18
DET: 19
BUF: 21
MIN: 21
ARI: 22
PIT: 24
OTT: 24

The Flames out-tanked everyone that mattered, and all we see is fans bitching and whining that they won meaningless games and the franchise continues to pursue the wrong things.

It's unbelievable. And ridiculous.

In a PGT titled "Whine about the tank here", the sunshine and lollipops crowd was mad that people were, uh, whining about the tank. That's unbelievable and ridiculous.

As you illustrated, they did well on the whole after the trade deadline, but a miraculous comeback against a team they could have caught is pretty deflating in the aftermath.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by butterfly

In a PGT titled "Whine about the tank here", the sunshine and lollipops crowd was mad that people were, uh, whining about the tank. That's unbelievable and ridiculous.

As you illustrated, they did well on the whole after the trade deadline, but a miraculous comeback against a team they could have caught is pretty deflating in the aftermath.

You keep quoting a sarcastic thread title that labelled certain posters as "whiners". It wasn't meant as a compliment.

And it wasn't "whine about the win here - without any pushback".

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by butterfly

As you illustrated, they did well on the whole after the trade deadline, but a miraculous comeback against a team they could have caught is pretty deflating in the aftermath.

It isn't a miracle when the opposing team has a terrible goaltender and gets terrible goaltending. The only way the Flames were going to lose that game was to stop shooting the puck, and you're nuts if you think a team is going to do that deliberately.

[topfiverecords]

I see the Brigade is still obsessing.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by butterfly

In a PGT titled "Whine about the tank here", the sunshine and lollipops crowd was mad that people were, uh, whining about the tank. That's unbelievable and ridiculous.

As you illustrated, they did well on the whole after the trade deadline, but a miraculous comeback against a team they could have caught is pretty deflating in the aftermath.

To be fair people would of whined regardless of thread title, so might as well throw humour in the title,

[PepsiFree]

Watching butterfly in particular struggle with a thread title like that is good comedy at least. “Unbelievable and ridiculous” lol