I am very very happy. Maybe next season the former 115 point winger will play on his proper wing all season, not be forced to play with a center in Kadri who he clearly had zero chemistry, and not spend one second with Lucic on his other wing.
Those exit interviews must have been something.
Already looking forward to next season, thank you Flames.
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Sad ending to a man who brought the Flames...almost....to the promised land in 2004 and gave us a memorable duo in 2021-22, with a bitter final memory to that year. A shame that he was unable to (or unwilling to) alter his style and adapt his personal approach to players and situations, suppressing his more irascible parts in favour of getting more out of everyone.
Good luck on the ranch Darryl and thanks for the great stuff you DID bring us!
I strongly believe that this is ultimately the right move for the organization. Sutter cost this team a LOT in both of his tenures, and I think he really put too much emphasis on the role players or players with lots of experience.
Rhett put it really well on Barn Burner after Treliving departed saying that the 2004 team was actually quite young, and he took the failure to win in 2004 as "we needed experience" when it was literally the hardest path anyone had ever taken to get to the final. 4 division winners, 26 games.. you NEED youth in your line up to help you win.
Even if we look at the Kings roster, he had some talented, but youthful players who were key to it in Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick, with Carter in his prime.
He lost the room very early on after the first loss to the Oilers, the 'taking a ####' line, and he galvanized the factions with his petty post-game regarding Pelletier.
He's a good coach, but he's never actually understood what it was that actually made his teams good. It NEEDS youthful skill.
Its truly bizarre is the most success he has had it with younger players and he kept going to experienced player well too often.
The way he acted this last season though I am not sure happened to him he seemed extra angry and combative.
I would agree. If a player wants out or wanted out he needs to be traded. But don't make a bad trade. I hope the team trade all of the expiring contracts, except may be Zadarov and Kylington? If both of them extend fairly good deal with shorter term.
I look at Vegas this year. Mostly the same roster with a new coach. If you can't change the players this is the other way to get this roster to bounce back.
I still think this team lacks talent, but better coaching should be able to get them to the same level as a team like the Krakken.
Edit maybe more a different voice and player deployment. Sutter knows how to coach, but his ways wear on players too fast.
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I really hope so. There essentially needs to be a total refresh for this organization. If I had it my way I would also like to see Maloney gone, simply because I want a completely clean slate but that's not happening...
In my opinion this has been probably the most frustrating and discouraging 365 days as a Flames fan ever. We have gone from winning our division, one of our best regular seasons ever, a playoff series win (which is a telling milestone), to losing to the Oilers, to losing our best players, to this god awful season, to core pieces saying they're not happy to be here, to seeing our GM choose to leave, to our coach being fired. There has to be a complete shift in organizational philosophy and it has to happen now. I know we all love Backs, and Lindholm, but the time is now to move on from these guys and just start over from top to bottom. Maximize the return on guys with one year left. Get draft picks, let's move into this new building with a new found sense of purpose and a cultural shift. The opportunity is literally staring this organization in the face, it has never been this obvious to completely tear it all down.
Yes dude. This sums up exactly what I was thinking. So much turmoil, and at the end we have a lame duck GM with no direction.
Clearing house was the only option.
I’m a big believer in resets. Let’s reset and chart a new course. I say tank and rebuild for the new arena.
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I LOVE Daryl Sutter. I loved his pressers, I loved his hard-nosed attitude, and I really loved that I never had to play for him. I probably wouldn't handle it either.
I love how much he believed in his vets, but it was at times to the team's detriment.
But I just couldn't take any more of how he treats the young players here. Duehr should have been given a more active role. Pelletier should have been given a more active role. Phillips should have been given SOME type of role. Having guys like Ritchie/Lucic playing every night was not only killing this team, for last season, but stunting this team developmentally.
I definitely have the fear that Phillips will leave the organization and end up a sniper with Vancouver or something. Maybe a guy like Love can convince him to stick it out a little longer for an opportunity?
Love makes way too much sense. Might find lightning in a bottle, and if it doesn't work he can help bridge developing the young guys into the next coaching staff.
I strongly believe that this is ultimately the right move for the organization. Sutter cost this team a LOT in both of his tenures, and I think he really put too much emphasis on the role players or players with lots of experience.
Rhett put it really well on Barn Burner after Treliving departed saying that the 2004 team was actually quite young, and he took the failure to win in 2004 as "we needed experience" when it was literally the hardest path anyone had ever taken to get to the final. 4 division winners, 26 games.. you NEED youth in your line up to help you win.
Even if we look at the Kings roster, he had some talented, but youthful players who were key to it in Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick, with Carter in his prime.
He lost the room very early on after the first loss to the Oilers, the 'taking a ####' line, and he galvanized the factions with his petty post-game regarding Pelletier.
He's a good coach, but he's never actually understood what it was that actually made his teams good. It NEEDS youthful skill.
I was thinking the same thing. Sutter brings value to a young core that needs to learn what it takes to win in this league. He demands work, play the game the right way, put in the work in the off season and bring in vets to help lead the young core of star players. They Flames don't have a star young core to teach right now and filling in the team with vets when we already have a veteran core doesn't make sense.
It is still perplexing to me that ownership didn't have the brain and the foresight to actually be able to have BOTH a quality, hard, work hard and motivational coach like Sutter AND a better overall culture.
Tre and Sutter might not have seen eye to eye or been on the same page/power struggle. Ownership could step in and easily say "You WORK FOR ME" Knock off the garbage that EVERBODY know's and hates about Sutter and get the better aspect.
It didn't need to be this way but in classic Flames fashion, we get a GM who's nuts were clipped and in some ways powerless and a coach who's ego and old school mantra allowed him to think his nut's entered the room a month before he did. We clearly could have clipped Sutter's wings a little and allowed him to be a little lighter on the coaching side while getting the experience.
Everybody KNEW what the problem was and what we could fix and this could have happened before. It didn't need to become a train wreck.
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Good news. Sutter steered one of the most underachieving, un-entertaining, and fragile teams in the NHL last year and he couldn't find a way to right the ship. Hell, most of the time we couldn't tell if he was even trying to right the ship. Too many fingers were pointing in his direction. He created a toxic work place for too many people in the organization. Now the focus turns back to the players and I look forward to a new leadership team. And a team with a captain on the ice not one failing behind the bench.
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