04-20-2023, 07:15 PM
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#221
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Table 5
The Devil we know provides financial stability, but almost guaranteed middling performance on the ice. The Devil we don't know may lead to financial instability, and performance that's even worse.
And yet, after 30 years of mediocrity, and nothing to indicate that will change moving forward, I'm ready to risk it!
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Didn’t they almost win the west last year? They did win it four years ago.
Was Edwards the owner then?
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04-20-2023, 07:18 PM
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#222
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Western Canada
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Originally Posted by Goriders
Didn’t they almost win the west last year? They did win it four years ago.
Was Edwards the owner then?
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We judge success totally differently.
Winning the division is meaningless.
In fact, even winning the presidents trophy is meaningless. I’d say presidents trophy is less valuable then winning the first round. Heck the presidents trophy and first round exit may be worse than not making the playoffs.
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04-20-2023, 07:19 PM
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#223
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
In my view if they don't soon find a solution to the building, then yes moving is a real possibility.
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It’s all a question of defining soon. No doubt the team would one day be sold or moved if the owners don’t have an arena situation they find acceptable.
So when is soon? I’d say if there is no arena agreement this calendar year there will be a lot more noise from CSEC. I could see some kind of public declaration of a deadline.
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04-20-2023, 07:48 PM
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#224
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Powerplay Quarterback
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In some ways I hope the team moves. New owner might take a realistic look at the team and do it right.
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04-20-2023, 07:55 PM
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#225
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First Line Centre
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I expect Danielle Smith to make an Arena funding announcement during the election campaign. She’s backing herself into a corner with all her boneheaded ideas and she needs to buy more votes.
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04-20-2023, 07:58 PM
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#226
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 442scotty
I expect Danielle Smith to make an Arena funding announcement during the election campaign. She’s backing herself into a corner with all her boneheaded ideas and she needs to buy more votes.
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honestly this isn't that wacky a prediction.
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04-20-2023, 10:19 PM
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#227
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Franchise Player
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I doubt the team is going to move. Cooler heads will eventually prevail. Although they better hurry. Inflation isn’t going to help their project’s bottom line.
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04-21-2023, 01:30 AM
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#228
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
A's are Vegas bound. Just bought land to build a stadium.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article...-in-las-vegas/
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The Athletics had been negotiating with the City of Oakland to build a new waterfront stadium on a site known as Howard Terminal since 2018, but have had many other stadium plans fall through over the past two decades. However, after the report in the Review-Journal was published Wednesday, Oakland mayor Sheng Thao said the city would end those negotiations and pursue other projects for the waterfront site.
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If you look at the cases, they are quite similar. Flames are now where the A's were 5-10 years ago. The last new areas in the NHL was Detroit in 2017, Vegas and Seattle don't count.
Even if the Flames cut a deal tomorrow, we're looking at 2027? |
It's funny how the whole sporting world shunned the Vegas market for decades until the NHL tried it out first. Then the major American sports leagues watched and were like "WHATTTT??!! We're in!!!!!!".
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04-21-2023, 07:20 AM
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#229
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Franchise Player
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It actually had more to do with the relaxation of gambling laws around the nation and the acceptance of sports gambling across the board. Gambling is now entrenched in all sports, which is why Vegas is no longer taboo. The NHL and Bettman were the first to read the tea leaves correctly and get ahead of the game, so to speak.
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04-21-2023, 07:52 AM
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#230
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by White Out 403
honestly this isn't that wacky a prediction.
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She definitely needs the votes in Calgary.
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04-21-2023, 08:14 AM
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#231
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
I'm not concerned about them moving, I'm more concerned that not having a new building means it's harder to attract UFAs or retain RFAs. Calgary already has a hard enough time attracting players. Having crappy ass facilities definitely doesn't help.
Plus, the fact that a city like Calgary has McMahon and the Saddledome as their primary venues is pretty embarrassing.
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It's the opposite of embarrassing. It means the voter base in Calgary understands economics and hasn't been hoodwinked into giving owners/players a massive subsidy.
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04-21-2023, 08:42 AM
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#232
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by BoLevi
It's the opposite of embarrassing. It means the voter base in Calgary understands economics and hasn't been hoodwinked into giving owners/players a massive subsidy.
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Yah, no. Gonna have to disagree. It's embarrassing.
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04-21-2023, 09:42 AM
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#233
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
It actually had more to do with the relaxation of gambling laws around the nation and the acceptance of sports gambling across the board. Gambling is now entrenched in all sports, which is why Vegas is no longer taboo. The NHL and Bettman were the first to read the tea leaves correctly and get ahead of the game, so to speak.
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Being the first team in LV was a stroke of genius by the NHL. Only state where an NHL team is the most popular team beating out the NFL.
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04-21-2023, 09:45 AM
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#234
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Being the first team in LV was a stroke of genius by the NHL. Only state where an NHL team is the most popular team beating out the NFL.
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By what metric?
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Matthew Tkachuk apologist.
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04-21-2023, 09:46 AM
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#235
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by cam_calderon
By what metric?
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Google trends and survey data. I'm also a Raiders fan and it's known that locally the Knights are more popular than the Raiders.
https://i.redd.it/cgnnvsu4ivu91.jpg
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04-21-2023, 09:49 AM
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#236
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
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I think ticket sales and TV numbers would be much more telling, but that is interesting. After reading the A's news, couldn't help but wonder what's taking the NBA so long. Would it be division/conference misalignment issues? T-Mobile is a great venue.
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Matthew Tkachuk apologist.
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04-21-2023, 09:54 AM
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#237
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Shanghai
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I appreciate that the Golden Knights as a franchise really embraced that they are producing an entertainment product. Their games seem like more fun to be at than the rest of the NHL.
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"If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?"
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04-21-2023, 09:57 AM
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#238
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I'd also be curious how many travel agents/hotels offer tickets to tourists? Must be a significant proportion of the arena.
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Matthew Tkachuk apologist.
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04-21-2023, 09:58 AM
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#239
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by cam_calderon
I think ticket sales and TV numbers would be much more telling, but that is interesting. After reading the A's news, couldn't help but wonder what's taking the NBA so long. Would it be division/conference misalignment issues? T-Mobile is a great venue.
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If you talk to sports fans in Vegas, they will tell you they love the Knights over the Raiders. The Knights are Vegas's own team, the Raiders are a product from another city. It was an interesting take when talking to fans out there. I, for one, never thought hockey would be huge in Vegas.
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04-21-2023, 09:59 AM
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#240
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiggy
If you talk to sports fans in Vegas, they will tell you they love the Knights over the Raiders. The Knights are Vegas's own team, the Raiders are a product from another city. It was an interesting take when talking to fans out there. I, for one, never thought hockey would be huge in Vegas.
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Yeah, the Raiders have moved so often they are perceived as mercenaries.
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