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Old 03-27-2023, 03:50 PM   #221
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I can't believe people are seriously entertaining the idea that Sutter plays this kid before we are mathematically out. Not going to happen.
If the kid impresses at practice, I could see him drawing in. Even with Sutter as the coach.

He's a first rounder with high end skill, and he's 20. He might already be ready.
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Old 03-27-2023, 03:56 PM   #222
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If the kid impresses at practice, I could see him drawing in. Even with Sutter as the coach.

He's a first rounder with high end skill, and he's 20. He might already be ready.
Pretty solidly built too...
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Old 03-27-2023, 04:43 PM   #223
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I'm disappointed in the Calgary puck community. I don't think I've seen a single person post about tracking his flight/seeing him arrive at the airport.
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Old 03-27-2023, 04:49 PM   #224
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I want to see the guy play for sure.

But anyone expecting him in Tuesday and likely even Friday will be disappointed.

Personally I'm glad to see his first year is burned regardless so the asset is secured and that two year "worry" can be put to bed for those that were worried.

Guessing he gets in after two more losses, however long that takes.
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I want to see the guy play for sure.

But anyone expecting him in Tuesday and likely even Friday will be disappointed.

Personally I'm glad to see his first year is burned regardless so the asset is secured and that two year "worry" can be put to bed for those that were worried.

Guessing he gets in after two more losses, however long that takes.
IMO this contract is better way to go. He's less likely to have played his way into a huge contract in 2 years vs 3 years and he will not be eligible for an offer sheet in 2 years. Not that it's a huge risk but it would be a tool for him and his agent to squeeze more money out of the Flames on his 2nd contract.
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Old 03-27-2023, 05:00 PM   #226
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IMO this contract is better way to go. He's less likely to have played his way into a huge contract in 2 years vs 3 years and he will not be eligible for an offer sheet in 2 years. Not that it's a huge risk but it would be a tool for him and his agent to squeeze more money out of the Flames on his 2nd contract.
I have heard this logic before by GM’s. It is a fair point, it may not necessarily cost the organization anything to move onto the second contract earlier.
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Old 03-27-2023, 05:08 PM   #227
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Having the team play in Calgary or Stockton does not affect waivers.
I get that.

The point was to reduce travel time and costs and to make it easier to give players exposure and experience.

In other words, players can physically move more freely between ahl and nhl. Obviously the paper transaction still occurs.
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Old 03-27-2023, 05:10 PM   #228
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Not to mention this very likely means that Coronato will be ineligible for an offer sheet at the end of his contract (less than 10 pro games this year), immediately putting the Flames in good position.

Unless I'm wrong.
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Old 03-27-2023, 05:10 PM   #229
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I have heard this logic before by GM’s. It is a fair point, it may not necessarily cost the organization anything to move onto the second contract earlier.
Look at Gaudreau. He played on a team friendly contract for 8 years. Treliving should have signed him for 8 and maybe he could have but 8 years on a team friendly deal should be long enough for a team to build around him.

Also, prospects like Coronato are much less likely to be top end players during their ELC. What's the worst that can happen, as a GM you are wrong and the kid is way better than expected and you wish you had the extra year on the ELC? I'm sure we all would love it, if he turns out to be that good that quickly.
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Old 03-27-2023, 05:13 PM   #230
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Ruzicka has had 44 games
Duehr has 20 games
Pelletier 23 games
Gilbert 21 games
Mackey had 10
Phillips had 2
Desimone 4
Zahorna 8
Silly C 02. Facts mean nothing here.
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Old 03-27-2023, 05:54 PM   #231
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Old 03-27-2023, 05:58 PM   #232
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Was hoping for #64 since that’s how old Sutter is. Would have been a way to win over the big mean coach. Unfortunately doesn’t seem like the kid is very smart. Don’t they teach them anything at Harvard?
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Old 03-27-2023, 06:07 PM   #233
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Ruzicka has had 44 games
Duehr has 20 games
Pelletier 23 games
Gilbert 21 games
Mackey had 10
Phillips had 2
Desimone 4
Zahorna 8
Obviously you are being serious.

1,640 games available is 20 players per game day x 82. 132 games above.

8%. Laughable.

This is what draft and develop and asset management is for you?

No argument on Ruzicka. Can’t get back into the lineup though.
No argument on Duehr. Good future.
Pelletier…being touted as a future captain. 23 games. At the end of the season. Should have been up way earlier.
Gilbert. 21 games. 3rd nhl team. 26 years old.
Mackey. Signed as free agent. 26. valimaki was put on waivers for his 10 games and then traded him.
Phillips. 3 career games. 2 in the final year of his contract. We spent 5 (!) years developing him. Surely he showed enough promise that flames kept him around and invested in him.
Desimone. He’s 28. Free agent signing.
Zahorna. 26 year old waiver wire pickup. Since traded for an ahl player.

Half of your list is 26 or older. Is that draft and develop?

I’m not that fussed about Phillips on a personal level but on a franchise level, it’s terrible.

I don’t believe any on your list make greater than $1 million. In a capped league, you have to get cheaper players onto the team. That’s usually entry level contracts but it’s value for salary cost that matters.

I think that this is probably average in the nhl? Maybe a bit high? Maybe a bit low? And…currently a non playoff team, halfway in the standings…more or less average. Probably a bit below.

Can you honestly say that your list above shows the flames as moving forward?
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Old 03-27-2023, 06:08 PM   #234
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I want him to play tomorrow.

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Old 03-27-2023, 06:20 PM   #235
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I want him to be named Captain.
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I want his jersey to be retired before he even plays a game.
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Captain Corona, has a nice ring.
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Old 03-27-2023, 06:25 PM   #238
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Old 03-27-2023, 06:26 PM   #239
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Or Dos Corona
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Old 03-27-2023, 06:31 PM   #240
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Flames gotta get him into a warmup Pride Jersey. That will raise a lot of money at an auction.
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