[PGT] Jets 3 Flames 2

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Imo it is clear that it isn't a style of play issue. We are mostly beating other teams while playing, just not talented enough to create game breaking moments or talent goals on a consistent basis.

But that is a style of play issue. Tough to create game breaking moments or talent goals when you're dumping the puck even down a goal with 5 minutes left.

Our style is good for most situations but when we need a goal we need to be able to play another way that doesn't care as much about maybe being scored on again if it also increases our odds of scoring.

[bzoo02]

What happened to the bumper play they used on the PP last year?

Is this year's team just not skilled enough to pull it off?

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[Paulie Walnuts]

The PDO stats are interesting. Our PDO is bottom 5 but of those other bottom feeders what is the reason for the low PDO? Lots of shots against and poor goaltending or not creating much which reflects the shooting %?

We are shooting tons and not scoring, and we are not allowing much but giving up almost 3 every game.

I don't see our save % changing much, and that's not a indictment on Markstrom its just because we give up a low volume of shots. We just have to score more.

Only concerning part with it being so low is that it could stay consistent and catch up with us in the W-L column and we crater.

[Manhattanboy]

Jets first line had their way in our end the entire night.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Connors play was a pass, not a fluke bounce. Not to be nit-picky. But it was a beauty high skill play and unfair to call a fluke.

Yeah, definitely a pass, and probably a set play. Really good play by Connor.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The PDO stats are interesting. Our PDO is bottom 5 but of those other bottom feeders what is the reason for the low PDO? Lots of shots against and poor goaltending or not creating much which reflects the shooting %?

We are shooting tons and not scoring, and we are not allowing much but giving up almost 3 every game.

I don't see our save % changing much, and that's not a indictment on Markstrom its just because we give up a low volume of shots. We just have to score more.

Only concerning part with it being so low is that it could stay consistent and catch up with us in the W-L column and we crater.

Like others have said, we just don't have enough gamebreaker/sniper type players to create goals out of all the high danger chances we get as a team with our 5 on 5 work.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Like others have said, we just don't have enough gamebreaker/sniper type players to create goals out of all the high danger chances we get as a team with our 5 on 5 work.

I wonder how much longer we will continue to march forward with our current roster as it is. The sample size is getting decent in size, and we just seem to be rather middling.

The Flames have won 18 games and lost 21 games so far this season. We hold a wild card spot, and the team as a whole is playing pretty consistently well night in and night out, yet the efforts aren’t yielding anything more than middling results. It looks to me that they just don’t have the skill on the roster to score .5 more goals/allow .5 less goals

It’s such an odd place for the organization to be in. We just handed out some huge long-term contracts but yet the man who negotiated those deals is less than 6 months away from the end of his own contract. What is the direction of this team? What is the plan?

[Zarley]

Another great game that should have been a win similar to the game against Edmonton - absolutely nothing to be concerned about. The team is stringing together a stretch of excellent play here.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I wonder how much longer we will continue to march forward with our current roster as it is. The sample size is getting decent in size, and we just seem to be rather middling.

The Flames have won 18 games and lost 21 games so far this season. We hold a wild card spot, and the team as a whole is playing pretty consistently well night in and night out, yet the efforts aren’t yielding anything more than middling results. It looks to me that they just don’t have the skill on the roster to score .5 more goals/allow .5 less goals

It’s such an odd place for the organization to be in. We just handed out some huge long-term contracts but yet the man who negotiated those deals is less than 6 months away from the end of his own contract. What is the direction of this team? What is the plan?

I think the plan is to get into the playoffs and this team is built for the post season.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I think the plan is to get into the playoffs and this team is built for the post season.

Heard that before. Has never panned out.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Like others have said, we just don't have enough gamebreaker/sniper type players to create goals out of all the high danger chances we get as a team with our 5 on 5 work.

I think the model breaks one step before that.

The Flames have great shot attempt volume, great shot volume, great scoring chance volume but middling high danger volume

To me that says a lack of creative talent to create the high danger chance from a scoring chance.

Basically the Flames carry it into the home plate and shoot it .... the goalie is set.

They don't create the pass/rebound/tip options in the scoring area often enough.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Heard that before. Has never panned out.

OK then discussion is now cancelled because you have heard it before.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think the model breaks one step before that.

The Flames have great shot attempt volume, great shot volume, great scoring chance volume but middling high danger volume

To me that says a lack of creative talent to create the high danger chance from a scoring chance.

Basically the Flames carry it into the home plate and shoot it .... the goalie is set.

They don't create the pass/rebound/tip options in the scoring area often enough.

Good enough to get a high number of shots on goalie.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, definitely a pass, and probably a set play. Really good play by Connor.

Yeah, I thought so on the replay. Either way it was an interesting setup and hard on the goalie. It was also a line mismatch IIRC.

This game should have been decided on the powerplay Calgary got though. Excellent PK, crap powerplay. I'm going to bet Huberdeau can make a slot or cross ice pass if someone could just get open. Should be Kadri high slot or Lindholm right side as options. They are way too spread out to make those quick passes though.

[sonq]

Okay not really related to this game, but Flames had 3pts more 39 games in last season. Is it actually that long ago that I don't recall that, or am I just super critical of the new team

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

Good enough to get a high number of shots on goalie.

Think I said that ...

Huge volume of shot attempts
Huge volume of shots
Good volume of scoring chances
Middling volume of high danger chances

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by sonq

Okay not really related to this game, but Flames had 3pts more 39 games in last season. Is it actually that long ago that I don't recall that, or am I just super critical of the new team

December 5 through January 13 was a slump last where they won 2 of 10 games. They went on a big run after that set them up for home ice in the playoffs. Hopefully this team can have a similar type of run or it's shaping up to be a grind right down to the last week of the season.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

December 5 through January 13 was a slump last where they won 2 of 10 games. They went on a big run after that set them up for home ice in the playoffs. Hopefully this team can have a similar type of run or it's shaping up to be a grind right down to the last week of the season.

I’m expecting this to be a grind all the way to the end of the season. Likely sliding in and out of a wild card spot, a divisional spot, and the playoffs all together along the way. I don’t think there’s much of a difference between the Kraken, Blues, Predators and the Flames. LA would have to go on a decent slide to fall back into that group, and I (*vomits in mouth*) believe that the Oilers duo will carry them forward (I also expect them to get aggressive trade-wise in short order).

The Flames play a well structured game (to be expected from a Darryl team), but I just don’t think the roster has the skill required to be above that scramble for a playoff spot.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Zarley

Another great game that should have been a win similar to the game against Edmonton - absolutely nothing to be concerned about. The team is stringing together a stretch of excellent play here.

Or even more reason to be concerned if they can’t win when playing well

What happens when they don’t play well again / go in a slump

Moral victories don’t count for anything

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

December 5 through January 13 was a slump last where they won 2 of 10 games. They went on a big run after that set them up for home ice in the playoffs. Hopefully this team can have a similar type of run or it's shaping up to be a grind right down to the last week of the season.

I think it’ll be the latter. Everyone is in the same boat because the league is so even. The last week will be very interesting this year.