[PGT] Oilers 2 - Flames 1

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

It didn't affect the outcome of tonights game. If the Flames got one or two more powerplays and lived up to their 23rd overall PP% once again, then who/what would you blame? The fact that they can't score?

Yes you blame the pp if the refs did their job and we didn't score. Blatant non calls impacted the game. It

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

It didn't affect the outcome of tonights game. If the Flames got one or two more powerplays and lived up to their 23rd overall PP% once again, then who/what would you blame? The fact that they can't score?

Huh.

Well I don't think we can have an honest conversation or find any common ground if you honestly think they didn't affect the outcome tonight.

But using your argument, if the Oilers get fewer powerplays, and live up to their 30th 5v5 xgf, do they win that game?



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[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I think we have homer goggles on based on my post above. If the league was giving as much love to them over everyone else as we think they are, they should be in top 5 for penalties drawn, and probably rank lower for penalties taken.

Okay, I think I found the numbers and I believe you are quoting penalties taken, not PP's. You have to account for offsetting penalties. The Oilers are 3rd in powerplay chances, and the Flames are 10th (130-119) after tonight.

The Flames have had to kill the most PP's in the league (138) to the Oilers 131 (5th most).

But if you look at 5v5 XGF% the Flames are 5th best and the Oilers are 19th. Why does the 19th best 5v5 team have a significant PP advantage over the 5th best 5v5 team? Oilers have a negative 1 penalty differential and the Flames are -19?

It could not have been more evident than tonight's game. No matter what transpired on the ice the Oilers wete going to get a PP advantage.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I genuinely do feel it was for the most part. I think if the Flames were to challenge the Oilers more in attempting to generate high danger chances in the slot, it could've forced the Oilers into taking some penalties since they would've had to do more to disrupt a grade A chance. The perimeter play the Flames did for most of the game the Oilers were willing to give up. Skinner didn't give up juicy rebounds the Flames could pounce on, and contained the middle of the ice well enough.

Like driving to the net with under a minute left and being blatantly interfered with and knocked down no where near the puck? That happened. No call.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I would suggest that the 19th best 5v5 team, like a lot of mediocre 5v5 teams, relies a lot on rush and counter chances to get offense (also due to the players they have) and those are more likely to result in power plays than long cycle shifts.

Of course in the playoffs, you don't get those calls as much, and players skate back better, so those chances often go back the other way rather than generating a whistle and a PP. That is the Oilers in a nutshell.

The game the Flames played tonight is more conducive to winning long term.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I genuinely do feel it was for the most part. I think if the Flames were to challenge the Oilers more in attempting to generate high danger chances in the slot, it could've forced the Oilers into taking some penalties since they would've had to do more to disrupt a grade A chance. The perimeter play the Flames did for most of the game the Oilers were willing to give up. Skinner didn't give up juicy rebounds the Flames could pounce on, and contained the middle of the ice well enough.

But then you rely on refs to make calls no?

And the heat map someone posted above shows exactly what you are saying about high danger chances in the slot. Yet here we are. One powerplay.

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[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I don’t think it really matters whether or not the Flames got another pp or two.

Do you honestly think they would have scored on it?

48 shots. 1 goal.

Yes, I honestly think they would've scored on it. 48 shot 1 goal means squat after the fact. There are penalties on the Oilers that weren't called. If they can't score so be it. By your saying, might as well not not call Oilers on any penalty. The Flames only have 1, ONE PP and Oilers killed it off. If they were called on all the infractions they committed, do you honestly think they can kill them all off?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Okay, I think I found the numbers and I believe you are quoting penalties taken, not PP's. You have to account for offsetting penalties. The Oilers are 3rd in powerplay chances, and the Flames are 10th (130-119) after tonight.

The Flames have had to kill the most PP's in the league (138) to the Oilers 131 (5th most).

But if you look at 5v5 XGF% the Flames are 5th best and the Oilers are 19th. Why does the 19th best 5v5 team have a significant PP advantage over the 5th best 5v5 team? Oilers have a negative 1 penalty differential and the Flames are -19?

It could not have been more evident than tonight's game. No matter what transpired on the ice the Oilers wete going to get a PP advantage.

Why do you think the officials consistently target the Flames and ignore infractions?

[dino7c]

does anyone here honestly think the Flames could hit McDavid in open ice 40 feet away from the puck and up by one goal in the last minute and get away without a penalty?

do they score? who knows...it should have been a 2 man advantage with the goalie out though

did they play a perfect game? no
but are they at a disadvantage against the Oilers before the game even starts?

I certainly think so, this isn't a one off either

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

It didn't affect the outcome of tonights game. If the Flames got one or two more powerplays and lived up to their 23rd overall PP% once again, then who/what would you blame? The fact that they can't score?

Anyone who watched this game and didn’t clearly observe how referees destroyed a close game is either clearly an Oilers homer or just dense.

Garbage officiating; that’s that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

People do you realize the power play is 5v4 so they have more ice to work with so you have a better chance of scoring. Why do you think McDavid is on this torrid pace he looked invisible 5v5 got the room to skate around and score on the PP.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I wonder how many games the Oilers win with 1 PP

I'd wager not many

but sure, the flames aren't allowed to take issue because it's not like they dominated 5 on 5 and actually deserved some opportunities

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Okay, I think I found the numbers and I believe you are quoting penalties taken, not PP's. You have to account for offsetting penalties. The Oilers are 3rd in powerplay chances, and the Flames are 10th (130-119) after tonight.

The Flames have had to kill the most PP's in the league (138) to the Oilers 131 (5th most).

But if you look at 5v5 XGF% the Flames are 5th best and the Oilers are 19th. Why does the 19th best 5v5 team have a significant PP advantage over the 5th best 5v5 team? Oilers have a negative 1 penalty differential and the Flames are -19?

It could not have been more evident than tonight's game. No matter what transpired on the ice the Oilers wete going to get a PP advantage.

That simply could be the McDavid/Draistal factor. When you got gamebreakers that teams needs to specifically gameplan for, they can draw penalties because you don't want to give them any space at all on the ice.

I'm not gonna look up the stats tonight, but I wonder how Flames did last season in generating PP's per game with the Gaudreau/Tkachuk line? With the skill an tempo that line had, I wouldn't be surprised if it generated a lot of PP's for the team as well.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I genuinely do feel it was for the most part. I think if the Flames were to challenge the Oilers more in attempting to generate high danger chances in the slot, it could've forced the Oilers into taking some penalties since they would've had to do more to disrupt a grade A chance. The perimeter play the Flames did for most of the game the Oilers were willing to give up. Skinner didn't give up juicy rebounds the Flames could pounce on, and contained the middle of the ice well enough.

Taking some penalties? Did you miss the Nurse hit? The Hyman stick hold? The trip in Ritchie? The waterski on Tofolli? The Oilers took lots of penalties, the refs just refused to call them.
This is borderline insane. The hit by Nurse at the end was the easiest interference call in the history of the NHL. Gimme a break that the Flames didn't draw penalties.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Like driving to the net with under a minute left and being blatantly interfered with and knocked down no where near the puck? That happened. No call.

I do agree that should've been a call. But this is hockey (####, sports in general). There's gonna be missed calls. If there were a few other instances in the previous 59 minutes where it appeared obvious there should've been a call that wasn't, then I would take issue of blatant bias.

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

Huh.

Well I don't think we can have an honest conversation or find any common ground if you honestly think they didn't affect the outcome tonight.

But using your argument, if the Oilers get fewer powerplays, and live up to their 30th 5v5 xgf, do they win that game?



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The Oilers scored two goals tonight. I think your opinion on the officiating is inflamed by who the opponent is. Otherwise you should be in here every night complaining, because its inconsistent league wide. There are 12 teams with fewer penalty minutes than the Oilers. They can win any game cause their top players score, which was my original argument in that we lack this in our top guys.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by zamler

Why do you think the officials consistently target the Flames and ignore infractions?

I have no clue why it's so bad this year. One thing I have noticed is that Kadri takes a ton of abuse without getting many calls, but also dives from time to time. Maybe refs hate him and it carries over.

Sutter also called the refs out after one if the garbage calls in OT earlier in the year and maybe the refs took that personally.

Hard to say really, but there seems to be something happening with the Flames this year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I do agree that should've been a call. But this is hockey (####, sports in general). There's gonna be missed calls. If there were a few other instances in the previous 59 minutes where it appeared obvious there should've been a call that wasn't, then I would take issue of blatant bias.

What are you talking about easily 3 missed calls on the Oilers. And many more tick tac calls they could call which they do against is but didn't tonight.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I hope these refs missing their southwest airline flights just like they miss penalty calls.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I do agree that should've been a call. But this is hockey (####, sports in general). There's gonna be missed calls. If there were a few other instances in the previous 59 minutes where it appeared obvious there should've been a call that wasn't, then I would take issue of blatant bias.

You seriously think that was a missed call? Like somehow both refs were ignoring the game at the exact moment and missed that play? I'm sorry but they chose not to call that penalty. If you think they missed it then you are saying they are beyond incompetent and likely legally blind.