What would you give up for Eichel?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If he’s available, you pay the freight.

Not if it cripples the franchise going forward. You don't set the franchise back a decade for five years of any player, because that is all you're getting out of this kid is five years of play.

As I have already mentioned, so you trade Tkachuk, Monahan, Zary/Pelletier, and our first for him. You're trading away 120-140 NHL points just in the two roster players. You're getting back 80-90. How do you make up the 30-50 point gap? You have just taken out two of the best pieces that could address that gap. So where does the improvement come from? You turn the team into a one line team, just like the Buffalo Sabres, and you put the Flames on the exact same path of being bottom feeder. By time you draft and develop the players needed to support Eichel, his contract is up and he's headed off to greener fields. The Flames do not have the assets to make the deal and be any better than the Sabres currently are.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by New Era

Not if it cripples the franchise going forward. You don't set the franchise back a decade for five years of any player, because that is all you're getting out of this kid is five years of play.

As I have already mentioned, so you trade Tkachuk, Monahan, Zary/Pelletier, and our first for him. You're trading away 120-140 NHL points just in the two roster players. You're getting back 80-90. How do you make up the 30-50 point gap? You have just taken out two of the best pieces that could address that gap. So where does the improvement come from? You turn the team into a one line team, just like the Buffalo Sabres, and you put the Flames on the exact same path of being bottom feeder. By time you draft and develop the players needed to support Eichel, his contract is up and he's headed off to greener fields. The Flames do not have the assets to make the deal and be any better than the Sabres currently are.

The asking price is too high and I wouldn't make that trade BUT...

Tkachuk's cap hit after next year will be $9m/year. You're looking at more than $15m/year between he and Monahan. Eichel is $10m/year, so you have $5m & change /year of cap space available to sign someone who could potentially provide those 30-50 points. Maybe you could get that player through free agency. That and you count on improved production from the rest of your top 6 to close that gap. With Eichel stabilizing the top line, you hope that he & Johnny gel nicely and it causes Johnny's numbers to rise, and also takes some pressure off Lindy's shoulders and lets him settle in at the #2 center position and really thrive in that role.

But again, no way I give up a first AND one of our top prospects to get Eichel.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The asking price is too high and I wouldn't make that trade BUT...

Tkachuk's cap hit after next year will be $9m/year. You're looking at more than $15m/year between he and Monahan. Eichel is $10m/year, so you have $5m & change /year of cap space available to sign someone who could potentially provide those 30-50 points. Maybe you could get that player through free agency. That and you count on improved production from the rest of your top 6 to close that gap. With Eichel stabilizing the top line, you hope that he & Johnny gel nicely and it causes Johnny's numbers to rise, and also takes some pressure off Lindy's shoulders and lets him settle in at the #2 center position and really thrive in that role.

But again, no way I give up a first AND one of our top prospects to get Eichel.

For a Number 1 Centre, you do.

[Flamesfan05]

I would give up Monahan and Johnny + any prospect Buff wants.

[Lanny_McDonald]

How about Monahan, Tkachuk, Zary and our 1st for Aho and some salary dumps?

Or maybe for Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Zary and our 1st for Couturier and Konecny, along with whatever salary they need to send our way?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by New Era

How about Monahan, Tkachuk, Zary and our 1st for Aho and some salary dumps?

Or maybe for Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Zary and our 1st for Couturier and Konecny, along with whatever salary they need to send our way?

Those sound worse than the Eichel trade.

[Lanny_McDonald]

They are equivalent to the Eichel trade. That's the point. I wouldn't make those deals either, and both of those players are superior centers to "Simple Jack" Eichel. You don't make deals that cripple your team.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by New Era

How about Monahan, Tkachuk, Zary and our 1st for Aho and some salary dumps?

Or maybe for Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Zary and our 1st for Couturier and Konecny, along with whatever salary they need to send our way?

Eichel is better than Aho.

The whole point of getting a player like that is to pair him with Gaudreau.

Let’s also assume that any deal for Eichel involves Skinner.

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I know we all hate Skinner - he has scored 30+ Four times. Eichel and Gaudreau could bank 20 a year in off his ass. He’s only 29, and you could sell high if he has a decent rebound in Calgary.

Tkachuk, sucks to lose him. You can replace what that player brings.

Lindholm, sucks to lose, big time. But you’re getting Eichel, and cementing Monahan as a #2C, which he absolutely is, I don’t care what his detractors say, he’s a quality top-6 player.

Valimaki - the 5th D, and really sucks to lose him. But he was a mid-1st pick, and he has 10 points in 59 games since he was drafted in 2017. I know, injuries, but If you can turn that into Jack Eichel, you do it.

Zary is a nice player. If everything breaks his way, maybe one day, MAYBE he’ll be as good as Backlund or Monahan. Sometime in the next nebulous 5-10 years.

So as I see it, acquiring Eichel and Skinner costs one top-6 centre, one top-6 winger and one bottom pairing D.

Eichel replaces Lindholm- you’re not set back.

Skinner is a wild card, but if he’s able to be even his career average, it’s acceptable.

Valimaki is replaceable. I know he’s popular, but Nik Lidstrom he ain’t, and even if he was, C > D. You still have Hanifin, Andersson, and OK as young D with high ceilings - you don’t need more than that. You need two more Tanev types.

We then need to find a top-6 LW, the easiest thing to do in the sport, and a bottom pairing defenseman. A competent hockey team can add those.

I fundamentally disagree that this sort of trade sets us back more than a year. If it sets us back at all.

Winning without a #1C is flat out impossible in the cap world.

[Sandman]

If the situation arose, just get your #1C (Eichel), and fill in the players you lost later. Free agents, draft, college signings, etc.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Sandman

If the situation arose, just get your #1C (Eichel), and fill in the players you lost later. Free agents, draft, college signings, etc.

Mortgage the team for one player? What if he turns out not to be half the player we need?

[Tacoman]

Originally Posted by Sandman

If the situation arose, just get your #1C (Eichel), and fill in the players you lost later. Free agents, draft, college signings, etc.

I know he’s injured right now but how has it been working for Buffalo? Silly.

[Roof-Daddy]

You just know if Eichel is moved it'll be to our (regular) division but not us.

LA or Seattle would be my guess.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Mortgage the team for one player? What if he turns out not to be half the player we need?

It won't be the whole team, just 4 assets perhaps. We would still have players left. This is a player who was 8th in Hart trophy voting a few years back,he's a big, fast, play-driving C, which most teams are looking for.

How's it working for Buffalo? You could replace Eichel with McD and it wouldn't make much of a difference at this point. Plus, Eichel was playing injured.

[The Fonz]

Gaudreau + Monahan

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Tkachuk's cap hit after next year will be $9m/year. Eichel.

Somehow I missed the $9m/yr. Where did it come from?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Somehow I missed the $9m/yr. Where did it come from?

That’s his RFA qualifying offer.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sandman

It won't be the whole team, just 4 assets perhaps. We would still have players left. This is a player who was 8th in Hart trophy voting a few years back,he's a big, fast, play-driving C, which most teams are looking for.

How's it working for Buffalo? You could replace Eichel with McD and it wouldn't make much of a difference at this point. Plus, Eichel was playing injured.

To be fair Gaudreau was 4th in Hart voting in 2019

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dino7c

To be fair Gaudreau was 4th in Hart voting in 2019

Yeah, cuz he had 99pts.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Yeah, cuz he had 99pts.

That and the team record...just saying if we are pumping a guy up because he finished 8th in hart voting one season its something to look at.

Gaudreau+Eichel would be ideal for me but...realistic? that may be another story.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dino7c

That and the team record...just saying if we are pumping a guy up because he finished 8th in hart voting one season its something to look at.

Gaudreau+Eichel would be ideal for me but...realistic? that may be another story.

Well, I think it's consensus on here that we would be getting Eichel to play with JG. I don't really think it's realistic that we could get Eichel, but I definitely think it's possible to have both on the same team, if that's what you mean.

I don't necessarily think they would ask for Johnny in that trade either.