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djsFlames · 02-17-2020, 10:56 PM

Have we been connected to another player in the past month outside of Toffoli and Martinez? I can't recall now.

Who else would we be looking at in the coming days either for the RW or D? Feels like this break over the next three would be the most ideal time to bring someone in if that's the goal.

Flamenspiel · 02-17-2020, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Not sure what you're trying to prove, but Toffoli is currently 21st in goals scored amongst RWers with 18 (would be 3rd on the Flames entire roster). He is 2 goals shy of Mark Stone, in 2 fewer games played. He is 39th in points per games played at .59 (would be 5th on the Flames).

Calgary would be a better team with him on RW, the only real argument is if he was worth the acquisition cost.

Ok, let’s look at the Flames first two lines. You have Lindholm and Mangiapani right now. Mangi has 13 even strength goals, and will finish with 20-25. That pushes Taffoli down to the third, certainly the Canucks need him a lot more then we do. I agree he is not worth acquisition, he was a “nice” to have for Calgary, not a requirement.

Also I like Dube on the third line, TT would have brought something to that line, but Dube brings a lot as well. Really what the Flames have always needed is Backlund moved to a third line centre. Mangiapane is emerging as a top 6 winger, you do not want to mess with that right now.

dissentowner · 02-17-2020, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Have we been connected to another player in the past month outside of Toffoli and Martinez? I can't recall now.

Who else would we be looking at in the coming days either for the RW or D? Feels like this break over the next three would be the most ideal time to bring someone in if that's the goal.

Anderson from CBJ?

Barca · 02-17-2020, 11:36 PM

TIL that Toffoli lead the Kings in goals and they've only scored 145 as a team.

flamesforthecup2017 · 02-18-2020, 01:09 AM

yikes, this division just got tougher. i say we trade for neal and get some goal scoring back

TheScorpion · 02-18-2020, 01:14 AM

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yikes, this division just got tougher. i say we trade for neal and get some goal scoring back

I would rather sign 45-year-old Freddy Modin, and no, I'm not even kidding.

activeStick · 02-18-2020, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Have we been connected to another player in the past month outside of Toffoli and Martinez? I can't recall now.

Who else would we be looking at in the coming days either for the RW or D? Feels like this break over the next three would be the most ideal time to bring someone in if that's the goal.

There are some rumours out there that the Flames are still interested in Kreider. They were apparently interested in him and Zuccarelo last deadline.

Snuffleupagus · 02-18-2020, 02:09 AM

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There are some rumours out there that the Flames are still interested in Kreider. They were apparently interested in him and Zuccarelo last deadline.

Last deadline would be key, since then he's signed a 5 yr $30m deal.

He is not a $6 million player

The Cobra · 02-18-2020, 03:55 AM

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I might be in the minority here but I'm glad the Flames aren't targeting these rentals.

We don’t know that the Flames didn’t target Toffoli and just came up short?

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Erick Estrada · 02-18-2020, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by activeStick

There are some rumours out there that the Flames are still interested in Kreider. They were apparently interested in him and Zuccarelo last deadline.

Kreider is going to command more than Toffoli and chances of him re-signing in Calgary is pretty well zero. I just can't see the Flames paying a 1st round pick for Kreider if they weren't going to pay a lesser price on Toffoli. I think Treliving is going to play things cautious and maybe look for more of a bargain type of player if he adds at the deadline.

dammage79 · 02-18-2020, 07:01 AM

Theres a chance Kreider re signs in NYR making Buchnevich available too. Still think the Flames end up trading with the Rangers or Devils as far a deadline deals go. Palmieri is out of the question after seeing what they got for Coleman.

But guys like Zacha, McLeod, Gusev could be obtainable.

kyuss275 · 02-18-2020, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Theres a chance Kreider re signs in NYR making Buchnevich available too. Still think the Flames end up trading with the Rangers or Devils as far a deadline deals go. Palmieri is out of the question after seeing what they got for Coleman.

But guys like Zacha, McLeod, Gusev could be obtainable.

If ,and its a big if, the flames are buying it, will be a d-man.

SportsJunky · 02-18-2020, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Last deadline would be key, since then he's signed a 5 yr $30m deal.

He is not a $6 million player

Whether or not he's a $6 million dollar player is debateable. 23 goals, 42 points in 57 games is decent. IMO, he is the type of player that the Flames need. A big-body, north-south guy who can skate and score. Unfortunately, he is a pure rental and he's a LHS. Both things I'm assuming GMBT is trying to avoid.

Hackey · 02-18-2020, 07:56 AM

Hes talking about Zuccarello not Kreider. Kreider is probably worth 6 million. Do you want to spend the assets though and would he even sign here?

Vinny01 · 02-18-2020, 07:57 AM

Teams are paying pretty ridiculous prices here

Flames should really be getting an idea for how much our rentals would go for. Feels like Brodie easily gets a 1st and Hamonic could get a 2nd plus a good prospect previously drafted in the first 2 rounds

Glad the Flames did not pay this price

Hackey · 02-18-2020, 08:05 AM

I would be more excited as a fan to see us land a 1st, 2nd, and some prospects than I would be to see us make a minor add. Odds of that are slim to none though I think.

The Cobra · 02-18-2020, 08:08 AM

If the Flames trade Brodie and Hamonic for picks, they are essentially giving up on the season, especially with Gio already injured.

Not saying I don't think it's a good idea, but teams in playoffs spots don't do this.

FlamesAddiction · 02-18-2020, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

If the Flames trade Brodie and Hamonic for picks, they are essentially giving up on the season, especially with Gio already injured.

Not saying I don't think it's a good idea, but teams in playoffs spots don't do this.

It would send a horrible message to the rest of the players as well. If I played on a team that was in a playoffs position and it decided to torpedo the season, I would probably question whether I wanted to be there long term.

kukkudo · 02-18-2020, 08:19 AM

I have a feeling we a see a Dman and a pick traded for Brandon Saad.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 02-18-2020, 08:23 AM

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It would send a horrible message to the rest of the players as well. If I played on a team that was in a playoffs position and it decided to torpedo the season, I would probably question whether I wanted to be there long term.

See, I always hear people say this, but the Blues did it two seasons in a row and it seems to have worked out for them in the long run.

If a trade brings value to the team that the GM thinks is in excess of what he's giving up, he should make the trade. The message being sent is "we make decisions based on our judgment about player value, not based on a look at the current standings".