[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames have interest in Toffoli (and other RHS top 6 forwards)

[bubbsy]

My view is that there is basically no point in investing in this year's roster if gaudreau/monahan continue their offensively garbage play. I fully expect them to come back even worse after the break, that's what they do.

A terrible division is the only reason the team is in a playoff spot. If our management continue with the 'just get in' mantra with this core & leadership group.... Well, I mean that's how the flames roll, so no big shock.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

My view is that there is basically no point in investing in this year's roster if gaudreau/monahan continue their offensively garbage play. I fully expect them to come back even worse after the break, that's what they do.

A terrible division is the only reason the team is in a playoff spot. If our management continue with the 'just get in' mantra with this core & leadership group.... Well, I mean that's how the flames roll, so no big shock.

I wouldn't care if they use Brodie, Harmonic , Bennett or a 2nd round pick to boost their lineup for a top 6 rw with term left. Under no circumstances should they be trading a 1st round pick. I would also wait and see what the team looks like closer to deadline. They are on the cusp of taking first place in the division , but at the same time are on the cusp of not getting into playoffs. If they are on the outside looking in come deadline, then they have to sell.

I don't think they have much of a chance to win the cup , but at the same time its a youngish team that needs playoff experience.

[Monahammer]

I dont think we should give up on Monahan. he has made good strides at other elements of his game and has been stapled to gaudreaus corpse all season. Hard to make any offence happen when the puck is being turned over constantly. If we're going to start a small retool I think we should keep him, lindy and tkachuk up front. The rest can go

[Lanny_McDonald]

What happens if they bring in Tofolli and he's the scoring RW that brings Gaudreau and Monahan to life? Personally, I think he's that guy. Pure finisher who compliments the two Flames big scorers. All of a sudden you have two damn good offensive lines and get to push Backlund down the lineup where he solidifies the bottom six. Then you have a team that could do some damage like they did last season.

I think people fail to see that players are human as well, and they have certain expectations. If they know where their weaknesses are, and management is not addressing them, that is going to demotivate the team. Treliving needs to make a move to improve the team. Now, not later. Otherwise I think he loses the team entirely, likely have to rebuild rather than retool, and expect a long painful rebuild because the cupboards are bare.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by New Era

What happens if they bring in Tofolli and he's the scoring RW that brings Gaudreau and Monahan to life? Personally, I think he's that guy. Pure finisher who compliments the two Flames big scorers. All of a sudden you have two damn good offensive lines and get to push Backlund down the lineup where he solidifies the bottom six. Then you have a team that could do some damage like they did last season.

I think people fail to see that players are human as well, and they have certain expectations. If they know where their weaknesses are, and management is not addressing them, that is going to demotivate the team. Treliving needs to make a move to improve the team. Now, not later. Otherwise I think he loses the team entirely, likely have to rebuild rather than retool, and expect a long painful rebuild because the cupboards are bare.

Totally agree with your post. One thing is for sure, BT needs to make a move and now. If he waits too long and we miss out on improving the team his ass needs to be fired at the end of this year.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Totally agree with your post. One thing is for sure, BT needs to make a move and now. If he waits too long and we miss out on improving the team his ass needs to be fired at the end of this year.

It takes 2 to tango . Unless Tre wants to overpay on a ufa player like Toffoli to get him right now , he's going to have to wait until closer to the deadline.

Posters need to realise that teams out of playoff race are not in a big rush to get rid of their players. They are going to try and maximize their return. Trade deadline is at the end of February.

[Heavy Jack]

I agree; Backlund is clearly a better shut down Center than he is a top line winger and no matter what way you dice it Monahan and Gaudreau need to be top line talent for this club. Toffoli brings a good, young in his prime, RH shot RW who has a legit gun and nose for the net. This trade needs to happen yesterday IMO. 2nd + Gawdin or even 2nd + Gawdin + Jankowski if they want a more ready now player as well.

We would still have room to augment at the deadline if needed too but Toffoli is my hope.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

It takes 2 to tango . Unless Tre wants to overpay on a ufa player like Toffoli to get him right now , he's going to have to wait until closer to the deadline.

Posters need to realise that teams out of playoff race are not in a big rush to get rid of their players. They are going to try and maximize their return. Trade deadline is at the end of February.

The problem is this is starting to become a trend with Brad. He almost did this, he almost acquired this guy, ect.. Despite the team not playing to their potential the window is now. There are a couple of high end coaches available, get one. Pay them what they want, if ownership balks punch Edwards in the face. Ok, not that but get it done. Get some scoring help, make it happen.

[memphusk]

I would say no to Toffoli unless it's a late round pick. He just doesn't make a difference, and they need another difference maker. Rental only also. That Ufa contract will be the second coming of Backes .

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Why do people keep putting Bennett on any of the top two lines? He is a decent 3rd or 4th line player, that's it.

Couldn't that be said about almost any player playing the right side these days?

Does Mangiapane, Backlund converted and Dillon Dube blow your socks off to the point where trying Sam Bennett is insane?

Calgary has four top sixers (some nights), and they are centers and left wings. The rest is plug in help.

[GullFoss]

If Tre can't get a #1 C/RW with a RHS, I'd rather retool.

Trade brodie and hamonic for picks and take them into the draft. Even if Hamonic = 1st round pick and Brodie = 1st round pick. You go into the draft with three first rounders. That's either going to land you a young top line player or it's going to go a long way to restocking the cupboards.

[Heavy Jack]

Windows for teams are real and we are literally in the very Center of one. I’m heartened that Tre created cap space with the Frolik trade but now he needs to take advantage of it and spend to fill out this core roster. I also think Toffoli could be a good candidate to extend at a value contract with Tree being as good as he is at that. Get it done. I’d be all over Gallant as well while keeping Huska, Ward and Gelinas as AC’s.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Totally agree with your post. One thing is for sure, BT needs to make a move and now. If he waits too long and we miss out on improving the team his ass needs to be fired at the end of this year.

Mid-season deals are dangerous when trying to address short-term needs. You can say he needs to make a move now, but that is a pretty blunt view when we have no idea what the asking prices are.
For example if LA wants a first round pick or high end prospect for Toffoli should BT still make the move now?

[Strange Brew]

IDK if Toffoli is the guy but maybe you don’t wait for the one big trade that fixes everything. IMO one of the issues plaguing is the staleness of the roster with basically the same players since the start of last season.

I’ve said it before but move out a defenseman and bring in a forward. Hopefully more or less break even on the picks involved and start to move forward.

Term or not, I really don’t care as long as the acquired players are atleast open to negotiating.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Couldn't that be said about almost any player playing the right side these days?

Does Mangiapane, Backlund converted and Dillon Dube blow your socks off to the point where trying Sam Bennett is insane?

Calgary has four top sixers (some nights), and they are centers and left wings. The rest is plug in help.

Mangiapane has been alright on his line with Lindy and Tkachuk but hes easily upgraded at any time Tree makes a move. He a weak link on that line.

Same with Backlund on the top line, hes just not a fit.

I'm surprised they've kept Czarnik down for so long as he doesnt really deserve to be kept in the AHL. Hes a guy that was riffing pretty good when he went down.

Dube has been fine, that line still is the barometer of effort every game.

Honestly I think the coaches has down all they can with the roster and making tweaks. This is on Tree now.

I'm amazed he can't find a dance partner.

[David Struch]

Because of the quality of this upcoming draft, Calgary needs to gain more early 2020 picks, but I'd be fine with the Flames trading 2021 picks and beyond to add right shooting core top six forwards.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Mid-season deals are dangerous when trying to address short-term needs. You can say he needs to make a move now, but that is a pretty blunt view when we have no idea what the asking prices are.
For example if LA wants a first round pick or high end prospect for Toffoli should BT still make the move now?

Well no, but I dont think the price is that high on Toffoli. Perhaps what he is after , teams arent ready to pull the trigger. Like say the Rangers and Lias Andersson. They're going to move him, but it's been said they're not quite ready.

I can see that maybe there is urgency to get something done in CGY but teams arent ready.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Mid-season deals are dangerous when trying to address short-term needs. You can say he needs to make a move now, but that is a pretty blunt view when we have no idea what the asking prices are.
For example if LA wants a first round pick or high end prospect for Toffoli should BT still make the move now?

No but I think it is rather obvious LA is not asking nor expecting that price. And if they are, make a deal for something else to help the club. Just do something.

[Jiri Hrdina]

“Just do something” is exactly the type of dangerous mentality that worries me about mid season deals
I’d rather play the season out and make the right moves this summer with a broader and longer view in mind

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm surprised they've kept Czarnik down for so long as he doesnt really deserve to be kept in the AHL. Hes a guy that was riffing pretty good when he went down.

I honestly don't think Czarnik moves the needle at the NHL level.

It's good he's helping the AHL team, but he was a tweener in Boston, and he's a tweener here. Guys that put up numbers in the AHL at 27 aren't always transferable to the next level.