12-16-2019, 05:52 PM
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#221
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Looks to be more comparable to Klimchuk (based only on stats, which is admittedly dangerous)
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I was trying to think of who would compare and you’re dead on. Stats wise 2 years ago Klimchuk is a perfect comparable.
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12-16-2019, 06:03 PM
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#222
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
I wasnt disagreeing with your posts, the iggy and bow trades were terrible and examples of exactly what not to do. I just think it's a funny coincidence that the iginla trade is exactly what you should do. Sure all prospects are lottery tickets, but some lottery tickets have better odds. Instead of getting three tickets with meager odds, get one ticket with better odds.
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The Iggy deal was bad because of the enforcement of his NTC down to a single team. So I don't put a lot of blame on Feaster for that one. The failure was not trading him 2 years earlier at max value.
The Bouwmeester was bad as he had term left, and they could have perhaps got more.
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12-16-2019, 06:08 PM
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#223
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Unfortunately bad input returns bad output. Minnesota shot counters are biased.
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Yes, we would call it garbage in/garbage out, I don’t think it’s isolated to Minnesota. Shot data and this stat are inherently flawed, for example he had Radulov on that list as well, Dallas removing him from the lineup resulted in a 10 game winning streak got the Stars. Is it a problem in Dallas as well? Have you watched Radulov play this year? He is pathetic.
From actually watching the games there is no way that Hall is rated correctly in this context. Let’s see how it plays out...
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12-16-2019, 06:29 PM
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#224
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I have no data driven argument or anything for this but for some reason it seems to me that having Phil Kessel and Hall on the same team is going to be a fun disaster to watch unfold.
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Trying to think who would be the ideal center for this line. Mike Ribeiro? Arizona is even paying for all 3 this year...
Top line forwards you DO NOT want to build your team around...(though in just the right situation they can be the cherry on top of a well designed sundae)
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12-16-2019, 06:33 PM
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#225
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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I didn’t realize it was 2015 when Merkley was drafted. I know he has had injuries but definitely trending to bust territory. For some reason I thought it was 2017.
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12-16-2019, 07:01 PM
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#226
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by bubbsy
What are the flames equivalent pieces here?
Merkley = Bennett
Schnarr = Phillips
Bahl = kylington
Glad we passed on this. I do hope they make a splash this season. Give the team the jolt and a lift going into the playoffs.
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Merkley = Poirier or Klimchuk
Schnarr = Ruzicka
Bahl = Kylington, if lucky and Bahl turns into a pro. Kylington is already a NHL player and Bahl has a lot to prove. Jersey fell in love with him because they watch the 67's a ton, kinda like how the Oilers fall in love with anyone from the Oil Kings.
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12-16-2019, 07:12 PM
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#227
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
I didn’t realize it was 2015 when Merkley was drafted. I know he has had injuries but definitely trending to bust territory. For some reason I thought it was 2017.
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Nick Merkeley was 2018, maybe that's why?
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12-16-2019, 07:14 PM
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#228
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
This isn't a team that can be fixed through midseason trades, especially ones that sacrifice first round draft picks
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Never said anything about what the Flames would be trading.
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12-16-2019, 07:19 PM
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#229
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: ---
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Last edited by Patek23; 12-16-2019 at 07:28 PM.
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12-16-2019, 07:22 PM
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#230
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wins 10 internets
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: slightly to the left
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I have no data driven argument or anything for this but for some reason it seems to me that having Phil Kessel and Hall on the same team is going to be a fun disaster to watch unfold.
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They are the definition of supplemental players. They can certainly help you win if you have other stars that take the leadership burden, but if you're building a team around those two hoping for success...
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12-16-2019, 07:38 PM
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#231
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#1 Goaltender
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Taylor hall is a heck of a player. And he would have been an awesome addition to many teams.
That said, the flames already have 2 elite LWers, so I see the rationale in not paying a high price to add another.
Also not sure if this is a guy you want long term - hes played a lot of hockey with reckless abandonment and age catches up with us all. I pity the fool who signs this guy for 7 years as a UFA.
I think the #1 target remains a RH shot who can play the wing. Nylander, silfverberg, Gallagher, Reinhart come to mind as players that might be really good fits.
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12-16-2019, 07:50 PM
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#232
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GullFoss
Taylor hall is a heck of a player. And he would have been an awesome addition to many teams.
That said, the flames already have 2 elite LWers, so I see the rationale in not paying a high price to add another.
Also not sure if this is a guy you want long term - hes played a lot of hockey with reckless abandonment and age catches up with us all. I pity the fool who signs this guy for 7 years as a UFA.
I think the #1 target remains a RH shot who can play the wing. Nylander, silfverberg, Gallagher, Reinhart come to mind as players that might be really good fits.
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If the cost for Hall was the equivalent of Kylington, Gawdin, Rusika, a 1st and a 3rd... I can't help but think that it would be cheaper to get any of the players that you mentioned, and especially with Nylander or Gallagher, I would be much happier having them.
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12-16-2019, 08:01 PM
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#233
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
I think that earlier in the season makes him more valuable, not less.
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In this case, New Jersey was living in mortal fear of Hall being injured and IMO that’s why trade happened when it did. I don’t think if affected the value much on this one.
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12-16-2019, 08:21 PM
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#234
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Nick Merkeley was 2018, maybe that's why?
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Ryan Merkley. D who went to San Jose at #21.
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12-16-2019, 09:18 PM
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#236
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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I feel bad for Coyote fans.
Feels like what happened to Blue Jacket fans these past years
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12-16-2019, 09:20 PM
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#237
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
I feel bad for Coyote fans.
Feels like what happened to Blue Jacket fans these past years
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They got to actually see a playoff series victory?
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12-16-2019, 09:28 PM
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#238
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
I feel bad for Coyote fans.
Feels like what happened to Blue Jacket fans these past years
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If I am a Jackets fan I don't regret the moves made last year. The fans needed their first playoff series victory, and they did it against a 60 win regular season team. They not only beat them, but they swept them.
The Coyotes have not made the playoffs since 2012. That was so long ago they were not even named the Arizona Coyotes, that was the Phoenix Coyotes. Can't really fault them for trying to make the playoffs with the makeup of their team. Have great goaltending, good defense, and okay forward depth. Having Hall, Kessel, Schmaltz, Keller, and others will make this team make a splash in the playoffs. With how wide open the Pacific is and the Yotes on top, why would they not go for it? I applaud them for doing this, it's nice seeing other teams make the playoffs other than the norm. Plus, nothing would make me happier than seeing the other Canadian teams and California not qualify for April hockey.
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12-16-2019, 09:30 PM
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#239
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damn onions
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I very rarely say this but I think Calgary could have and should have beaten this offer and got Taylor Hall.
I think the firepower is exactly what we need right now and a new energized hometown kid would be eager to get going again. A shame and I can only assume the price was too high but man... this one would have been terrific for Calgary, seems like a missed opportunity here.
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12-16-2019, 09:32 PM
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#240
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
If I am a Jackets fan I don't regret the moves made last year. The fans needed their first playoff series victory, and they did it against a 60 win regular season team. They not only beat them, but they swept them.
The Coyotes have not made the playoffs since 2012. That was so long ago they were not even named the Arizona Coyotes, that was the Phoenix Coyotes. Can't really fault them for trying to make the playoffs with the makeup of their team. Have great goaltending, good defense, and okay forward depth. Having Hall, Kessel, Schmaltz, Keller, and others will make this team make a splash in the playoffs. With how wide open the Pacific is and the Yotes on top, why would they not go for it? I applaud them for doing this, it's nice seeing other teams make the playoffs other than the norm. Plus, nothing would make me happier than seeing the other Canadian teams and California not qualify for April hockey.
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I live in Blue Jackets territory, and it seems like this is the minority view of those in the area. However, they do feel this logic to make sense of what happened.
Hindsight is 20/20. It could have been worse.
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