11-17-2019, 07:04 AM
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#221
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
PP, OT. The odd line juggling. Surprised this escaped notice.
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Backlund gets more ice in those situations than Ryan....or i am misunderstanding what you are saying.
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11-17-2019, 07:25 AM
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#222
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Backlund gets more ice in those situations than Ryan....or i am misunderstanding what you are saying.
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He was talking about how Backlund’s linemate (Tkachuk) had the most points and he didn’t. I’m noting that Tkachuk is on the ice without Backlund a lot more in those situations. I would guess about half his points come from OT, PP and EN. Backlund gets 2nd unit PP and the occasional turn in 3 on 3, but nowhere near Tkachuk’s and usually without Tkachuk on the same line.
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11-17-2019, 08:50 AM
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#223
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
He was talking about how Backlund’s linemate (Tkachuk) had the most points and he didn’t. I’m noting that Tkachuk is on the ice without Backlund a lot more in those situations. I would guess about half his points come from OT, PP and EN. Backlund gets 2nd unit PP and the occasional turn in 3 on 3, but nowhere near Tkachuk’s and usually without Tkachuk on the same line.
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So you're saying that when Tkachuk is away from Backlund, Tkachuk all of a sudden puts up a lot more points???
That's hardly a ringing endorsement for Backlund.
I like Backlund a lot, but he's been pretty poor offensively this year despite getting a lot of help from Tkachuk 5 on 5.
The team is struggling to score. Time to mix things up and see what happens for a while.
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11-17-2019, 09:10 AM
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#224
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: England
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
The team is struggling to score. Time to mix things up and see what happens for a while.
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Didn't we mix things up for two games before everyone was moaning that we needed to go back to the old lines and they got switched back anyway.
You are absolutely correct though, the current lines aren't working, we need to mix them up and stick with them for a while. The chemistry they used to have is gone, stop switching back to the old lines expecting it to magically reappear.
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11-17-2019, 09:31 AM
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#225
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Franchise Player
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Shakeup needed, Monahan, Giordano or Backland should be traded
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11-17-2019, 09:51 AM
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#226
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: B.C.
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
Shakeup needed, Monahan, Giordano or Backland should be traded
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Totally disagree. Move Gaudreau while he still has value.
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11-17-2019, 09:52 AM
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#227
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
Shakeup needed, Monahan, Giordano or Backland should be traded
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Other than Backlund, you're picking the wrong players there. You do want the team to be better?
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11-17-2019, 10:32 AM
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#228
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Teroy
Totally disagree. Move Gaudreau while he still has value.
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You make is sound like his value is tanking. He's a point a game player for his 400 game career to date and even slumping this season he's not far off a point a game. His value will be just as high in the summer as it is today.
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11-17-2019, 10:32 AM
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#229
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
PP, OT. The odd line juggling. Surprised this escaped notice.
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Yeah.
I think we had this exact same conversation within the last couple of weeks
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11-17-2019, 10:35 AM
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#230
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime
Other than Backlund, you're picking the wrong players there. You do want the team to be better?
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While it makes sense to try and move Backlund if only because he's trending to into a very expensive 3rd line center it would mean that Lindholm would have to be moved to center permanently.
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11-17-2019, 10:39 AM
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#231
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Scoring Winger
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I mean, there's an easy explanation. If Backlund could just hit the middle of the net when it's wide open, he'd probably have 10 goals by now.
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11-17-2019, 10:41 AM
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#232
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
So you're saying that when Tkachuk is away from Backlund, Tkachuk all of a sudden puts up a lot more points???
That's hardly a ringing endorsement for Backlund.
I like Backlund a lot, but he's been pretty poor offensively this year despite getting a lot of help from Tkachuk 5 on 5.
The team is struggling to score. Time to mix things up and see what happens for a while.
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So Tkachuk racks up PP1 points with:
Gaudreau (99 point guy), Gio (Norris winner), and Monahan and Lindholm (both roughly point per game guys)
You say that is not a ringing endorsement for Backlund. You do realize that has a bit to do with the other guys on the ice, right?
If you put Tkachuk on PP2 with, say, Jankowski, Rieder, Stone and Hamonic, do you think Tkachuk “being away from Backlund” would help that situation?
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11-17-2019, 10:43 AM
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#233
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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With Backlund, he is a 3rd line center in my opinion...
He is a really good defensive center, however he does not have much in terms of offensive upside.....
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11-17-2019, 10:44 AM
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#234
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kovaz
I mean, there's an easy explanation. If Backlund could just hit the middle of the net when it's wide open, he'd probably have 10 goals by now.
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Exactly ... Backlund is actually one of the better players on the team when it comes to chance generation. He just isn't finishing. We saw this two years ago for the second line as well, and it doomed them to missing the playoffs.
But he's actually money when it comes to most stats ...
First on the team in expected individual goals for for example, 1st in high danger chances for.
Just can't bury.
The Flames will get some more puck luck soon and then they'll appear to be world beaters when neither are true ... they're not as bad as they look now, nor as good as they'll look then.
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11-17-2019, 10:46 AM
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#235
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Franchise Player
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Tkachuk has 5 PPP, 2 ENP (both goals), and 2 OTP (both goals).
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11-17-2019, 11:20 AM
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#236
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Originally Posted by Dajazz
I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but split the ####ing first line up already. We have depth issues, Johnny and Lindholm can drag anyone around, so can Tkachuk and Monahan. That leaves Backlund on the 3rd line with Ryan and they alternate face offs. Wingers rotate through the three pairs.
A shame Brodie is ill. We're one top six/nine forward short and HAD good D depth....
Now it's all on the first line.
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THIS! ... While somehow adding a RH RW to the top 6... with Toronto struggling as well, maybe there’s a deal to revisit there.
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11-17-2019, 11:26 AM
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#237
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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If not already reported, Dube was called up and will play tonight.
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11-17-2019, 11:33 AM
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#238
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Franchise Player
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Backlund has never had a problem generating glorious chances...it's the finish he struggles with. At some point it's not bad luck some guys just choke under pressure. I'm certain the guy leads the league in missed empty nets. If he could raise the puck Calgary would have had a fighting chance in round one coming home tied instead of down 3-1.
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11-17-2019, 11:45 AM
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#239
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Backlund has never had a problem generating glorious chances...it's the finish he struggles with. At some point it's not bad luck some guys just choke under pressure. I'm certain the guy leads the league in missed empty nets. If he could raise the puck Calgary would have had a fighting chance in round one coming home tied instead of down 3-1.
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Just a reminder, only a season ago Backlund had three more 5v5 goals than Lindholm in less icetime, and only one fewer than Tkachuk.
The amount of flack guys who are not on PP1 get when they're not hot is astounding.
Backlund's had a bad year, and still only has one fewer 5v5 goal than Sean Monahan.
And then there's people talking about Sam Bennett's awful finish, where he has more goals in 2/3s of the ice time than either Gaudreau or Monahan do so far while shooting a respectable and highly sustainable percentage.
Backlund would be the first to tell you the finish hasn't been there.
It's not an indication of some long running lack of finish because he failed to raise one shot in the playoffs.
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11-17-2019, 11:55 AM
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#240
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Just a reminder, only a season ago Backlund had three more 5v5 goals than Lindholm in less icetime, and only one fewer than Tkachuk.
The amount of flack guys who are not on PP1 get when they're not hot is astounding.
Backlund's had a bad year, and still only has one fewer 5v5 goal than Sean Monahan.
And then there's people talking about Sam Bennett's awful finish, where he has more goals in 2/3s of the ice time than either Gaudreau or Monahan do so far while shooting a respectable and highly sustainable percentage.
Backlund would be the first to tell you the finish hasn't been there.
It's not an indication of some long running lack of finish because he failed to raise one shot in the playoffs.
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Just think how many goals he would have if he didn't miss wide open nets every other game. This isn't new....it's a running joke in the game thread waiting for Backlund's point blank miss.
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