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Lanny_McDonald · 02-23-2019, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Whatever roster player needed?

So Bennett?

In a heartbeat. Bennett is so overrated. If someone wants to give up a top line player for a third line player, then make it happen.

Duffalufagus · 02-23-2019, 07:17 PM

I have a feeling a stone us going to the Jets.

dieHARDflameZ · 02-23-2019, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

In a heartbeat. Bennett is so overrated. If someone wants to give up a top line player for a third line player, then make it happen.

You sound like a big Bennett fan.

GreenLantern2814 · 02-23-2019, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMike

Yeah but didn't we use that pick for Dube? I'm not complaining how things worked out

I'd rather have Hart.

What might have been.

GranteedEV · 02-23-2019, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMike

Yeah but didn't we use that pick for Dube? I'm not complaining how things worked out

Could have used the Parsons pick on Dube in that hypothetical.

Not that I don't love Parsons. He's the only prospect I had ranked over Kylington and Valimaki last offseason... but man... Carter Hart...

GioforPM · 02-23-2019, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Ummm...turn on NBC right now.

LOL

Doesn’t change my point at all. Was the guy he hit scared?

Buzzard · 02-23-2019, 07:23 PM

He likely will be moving forward!

Lanny_McDonald · 02-23-2019, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

You sound like a big Bennett fan.

Would you not trade a third line player for a first line player, especially if the lynch pin is that third line player?

djsFlames · 02-23-2019, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

I have a feeling a stone us going to the Jets.

Good, then they'll pay out the wazoo with our GM driving up the cost like a smart man. Multiple firsts and one of their top prospects and then after they fall short we swoop in and sign on July 1. One way to decimate your competition in your window.

Vinny01 · 02-23-2019, 07:25 PM

Based on what was said on HNIC the Sens either need to sign Stone or try and let CGY/WPG/NSH try and get the extension done to push the deal through.

It will be interesting if we hear tomorrow that Treliving has joined the team in Ottawa

JurassicTunga12 · 02-23-2019, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Kypreos says the market is drying up for Stone because ask is too high
would like mirror Duchene deal but problem is the prospects in that deal are maybe B and Cs, but with Stone asking for grade A prospects-guys that can play away
Winnipeg is at the top, followed closely by Calgary, with Nashville and Boston on the outside looking in

Step aside, Winnipeg.

Vinny01 · 02-23-2019, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

Would you not trade a third line player for a first line player, especially if the lynch pin is that third line player?

You are making your point by being very basic.

The third line player has team control, was highly touted, starting to find an important role on the team, still has offensive upside.

The first line player has an injury history, would cost substantially more than the third line player, and future contract could force other core players out of town

Lanny_McDonald · 02-23-2019, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

You are making your point by being very basic.

The third line player has team control, was highly touted, starting to find an important role on the team, still has offensive upside.

The first line player has an injury history, would cost substantially more than the third line player, and future contract could force other core players out of town

No, Bennett does NOT have offensive upside. Jesus Christ, do people not watch this guy play the game? He doesn’t think the game well, can’t make a pass, doesn’t have a shot, and routinely tries to beat the whole opposition team by himself. He does not have offensive upside.

Sam Bennett is no Mark Stone. Even half of Mark Stone. If you can get a Mark Stone for Sam Bennett, you make that move every day. Mark Stone is a star player, Sam Bennett is a support player. Period.

dieHARDflameZ · 02-23-2019, 07:38 PM

Well I think if the trade is Bennett for Stone straight up, everybody makes the deal. Bennett, a 1st, one of Kylington, Valimaki or Andersson + would be a huge overpayment imo.

timbit · 02-23-2019, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

No, Bennett does NOT have offensive upside. Jesus Christ, do people not watch this guy play the game? He doesn’t think the game well, can’t make a pass, doesn’t have a shot, and routinely tries to beat the whole opposition team by himself. He does not have offensive upside.

Sam Bennett is no Mark Stone. Even half of Mark Stone. If you can get a Mark Stone for Sam Bennett, you make that move every day. Mark Stone is a star player, Sam Bennett is a support player. Period.

Tough to argue that opinion.

EldrickOnIce · 02-23-2019, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

No, Bennett does NOT have offensive upside. Jesus Christ, do people not watch this guy play the game? He doesn’t think the game well, can’t make a pass, doesn’t have a shot, and routinely tries to beat the whole opposition team by himself. He does not have offensive upside.

Sam Bennett is no Mark Stone. Even half of Mark Stone. If you can get a Mark Stone for Sam Bennett, you make that move every day. Mark Stone is a star player, Sam Bennett is a support player. Period.

Except it's Bennett, first, Dube (or something).
Which you may believe is good. I'm not so sure

CalgaryFan1988 · 02-23-2019, 07:44 PM

I don't watch Ottawa a lot, but I've watched them quite a bit. I find Stone pretty one dimensional TBH. I still think he would be a great addition though, if the price is right.

dissentowner · 02-23-2019, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

Tough to argue that opinion.

Because it is wrong?

Phagoof · 02-23-2019, 07:45 PM

Bennett is a useful third liner, who plays a tough game, puts up 35 points and will come in under 3M per year, there aren't a lot of players like him. He's not untouchable but you don't move him if you don't have too. He's a useful player.

Vinny01 · 02-23-2019, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

No, Bennett does NOT have offensive upside. Jesus Christ, do people not watch this guy play the game? He doesn’t think the game well, can’t make a pass, doesn’t have a shot, and routinely tries to beat the whole opposition team by himself. He does not have offensive upside.

Sam Bennett is no Mark Stone. Even half of Mark Stone. If you can get a Mark Stone for Sam Bennett, you make that move every day. Mark Stone is a star player, Sam Bennett is a support player. Period.

Again it is not one for one. It is likely Bennett, Dube, 2 1st for a player that we need to find 8-10M cap space for.

You know who else was what he was? Lindholm. Came fans told us all summer that this 23 going to be 24 year old was what he was. Decent 2 way player with a real muffin shot. Somehow some way at the old age of 23 he was able to improve. Shockingly Gaudreau at 25, Monahan at 24 are getting better. Backlund was barely a NHL player at 22 now he is a legit 2nd line center. Backlund is a funny example because he are turning into the “Where R U Chris O’Sulliva” for Bennett.