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Old 06-26-2018, 02:32 PM   #221
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And this franchice continues to meddle in mediocrity due to holding on to overaged players that don't provide much on the scoring sheet.
Brouwer obviously a bad blunder.
Name one more?
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:34 PM   #222
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Brouwer obviously a bad blunder.
Name one more?
I'm waiting for someone to say Frolik. Don't say Frolik.
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A player who scored one more goal than Hathaway + Stajan + Versteeg + Lazar + Jagr in their combined 238 games last year.
This says it all
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:38 PM   #224
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Being U of A alumni...If he does get signed... A Derek Ryan Golden Bears jersey becomes my top priority!
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:40 PM   #225
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Lidholm has managed to produce regardless of who else is on his line. Year in and year out he has been a 15-40 player. Yes, Ferland ONCE scored 21-goals in an extremely favourable situation, but how concerned are we really that a player...

· whose high-water mark is -4 goals
· who scores consistently in all situations
· who consistently posts higher point totals
· who is three-years younger than Ferland

...will not provide higher production on that line than Ferland, and overall throughout the lineup with whomever else he is paired?


But he has proved to be CONSISTENTLY equal to scoring goals as Micheal Ferland. Ferland proved he could score with Gaudreau and Monahan, and yet that amounted to only +4 goals over Lindholm's career high. Lindholm has been used with all sorts of players in all situations, and still has virtually matched Ferland's goal-totals over Ferland's three-year NHL career. So really, I don't see much of a drop off at all in potential goal-scoring between the two players, but Lindholm's ability to drive offence and to contribute in all areas combined with his higher overall potential does set him in a higher stratosphere.
I do think that Lindholm has more potential than Ferland, and clearly is better in certain parts of the game than Ferland already but I don't like the use of exaggeration in comparing the two. It suggest bias and distorts the reality of what transpired. Flames acquired potential, youth and what they hope will be salary certainty.

Lindholm is not a year in year out 15 goal scorer. In 4 years in the NHL, he scored 11 goals twice. His high water mark is 4 goals less than Ferland's most recent season, also Ferland's high water mark. Lindholm has had good linemates, and significantly more ice time and PP time than Ferland. Ferland is definitely older but quite obviously a late bloomer with consistently increasing production every year. Prior to the trade, Monahan's injuries were often cited as a reason for the team's performance down the stretch. After the trade, it does not get mentioned as a reason for Ferland's declining production during the year.

None of this is to say I prefer Ferland over Lindholm. I don't.
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:41 PM   #226
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Depth scoring was a major issue as well. Im not against it
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:41 PM   #227
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His name is boring. But he seems fine.

I just find it strange that our pro-scouts seem to take back seat to newest coach when finding players for this team.
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:47 PM   #228
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...i just find it strange that our pro-scouts seem to take back seat to newest coach when finding players for this team.
Do they?
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I don't see signing Depth UFAs as being in opposition to acquiring top 6 talent. Why not both.
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:50 PM   #230
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I simply have very little faith in Treliving when it comes to signing veteran UFA:s. The track record isn't great.

Plus Ryans situations ticks all the boxes for "bubble player inflating his points because of a good situation on a bad team".

So I agree it seems like a high risk - low reward signing. You're not likely to get more than what you pay for, but there's a really good chance the short stint in Carolina was an anomaly and not repeatable.

I mean, the most likely reason someone plays years without a single game in the NHL is because he's not actually very good.
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:52 PM   #231
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So I agree it seems like a high risk - low reward signing.
What's the high risk?
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:54 PM   #232
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What's the high risk?
It is only high risk if it is longer than a 2 year contract.
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:55 PM   #233
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What's the high risk?
High risk in the sense that there would be absolutely nothing surprising if Ryans points in Carolina were an anomaly and not repeatable. The odds of this being a bad signing seem pretty high, the odds of it being a really good signing seem pretty low.

Plus you can only commit to so many guys before the season. Every bad signing is also a better signing you didn't make.
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Old 06-26-2018, 03:06 PM   #234
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This reeks of the love Hartley had for Ben Street.

Then I hear or see that we have extended a QO to Hunter Shinkaruk. What are we trying to build here ? An old folks home? Jesus let’s sign Burrows and Kesler ffs.

Treliving needs to remember he’s the GM and yes he has a important relationship with his coach but come on.

Makes me wonder how many guys are going to get PTOs this year because our roster doesn’t have enough mediocrity and we need to achieve just the right level of meh.

I predict Brads days are numbered if he is going to do bad favours that don’t help this team.
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Old 06-26-2018, 03:09 PM   #235
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At least it's Derek Ryan and not Derek Roy.
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This reeks of the love Hartley had for Ben Street.

Then I hear or see that we have extended a QO to Hunter Shinkaruk. What are we trying to build here ? An old folks home? Jesus let’s sign Burrows and Kesler ffs.

Treliving needs to remember he’s the GM and yes he has a important relationship with his coach but come on.

Makes me wonder how many guys are going to get PTOs this year because our roster doesn’t have enough mediocrity and we need to achieve just the right level of meh.

I predict Brads days are numbered if he is going to do bad favours that don’t help this team.
Derek Ryan puts up 38 points while being a top 10 face-off guy in the league and boasts impressive underlying numbers.

Yeah, let's rip Brad a new one!



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It's almost as if some people wanted things to stay the same...so we could maintain the suckitude?

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Old 06-26-2018, 03:12 PM   #237
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This reeks of the love Hartley had for Ben Street.

Then I hear or see that we have extended a QO to Hunter Shinkaruk. What are we trying to build here ? An old folks home? Jesus let’s sign Burrows and Kesler ffs.

Treliving needs to remember he’s the GM and yes he has a important relationship with his coach but come on.

Makes me wonder how many guys are going to get PTOs this year because our roster doesn’t have enough mediocrity and we need to achieve just the right level of meh.

I predict Brads days are numbered if he is going to do bad favours that don’t help this team.
What are you even talking about?

Ben Street played 35 career games in the NHL, only 19 as a Flame. He had 2 assists

Shinkaruk is 23, and will be in the AHL

What does any of that have to do with Ryan?
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This reeks of the love Hartley had for Ben Street.

Then I hear or see that we have extended a QO to Hunter Shinkaruk. What are we trying to build here ? An old folks home? Jesus let’s sign Burrows and Kesler ffs.

Treliving needs to remember he’s the GM and yes he has a important relationship with his coach but come on.

Makes me wonder how many guys are going to get PTOs this year because our roster doesn’t have enough mediocrity and we need to achieve just the right level of meh.

I predict Brads days are numbered if he is going to do bad favours that don’t help this team.
Wow that’s a lot of illogical things to unpack in one post
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I seriously didn't even remember who Ben Street was haha.
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Old 06-26-2018, 03:21 PM   #240
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Between the odd Derek Ryan disdain and people pining for Yakupov I have to ask...is CP getting dumber?
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