[News] Flames name Geoff Ward and Ryan Huska as assistant coaches

[Poe969]

These were horrible hires, these guys had terrible GRIT numbers.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

our AHL coach who has had pretty much zero success with a talented Stockton group and has had multiple first rnd picks bust under him, and a guy who had a player have a Hart like season that upped their PP which before that for multiple years was near bottom of the NHL. This is Tre trying to put lipstick on a pig folks.

Terrible take. Huska has some talented youngsters but little to no veteran ringers. Basically the equivalent of an nhl rebuilding team. Multiple first round picks busts under him? You talking about Klimchuk and Poirier both who are still prospects and one of which had a substance issue issue?

Your take on Huska is borderline absurd.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Buff

10th this season and they were a middle of the pack team.
22nd last year and they were bottom 4 team.
9th two seasons ago and they were 20th in the league.

That's not quite so bad.

Also, he spent from 07/08 to 13/14 as an assistant in Boston. I don't know his role on that team but they always had a PP in the top half of the league, often top 1/3 or better. He must have learned something from his time there. There is also the Cup win in 2011. He's a veteran assistant coach!

says in this darren haynes article he was brought on last year in new jersey

Coaching hockey for over half of his life, Ward described himself as a "career coach" when he was hired last June to be an assistant coach under newly-hired John Hynes in New Jersey.

[phoenix66]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

CF/60 as a measurement for PP success has to be an new all-time low for the stats crowd.

How do you up your CF? Pass it around the perimeter among stationary players and take lots of non-dangerous shots (ala the 2017-18 Calgary Flames)

How do you actually have a good PP? Move the puck quicker, and move it cross-ice to get the goalie moving. Having a good PP has nothing at all to do with CORSI.

Spreadsheet warriors are killing this game.

in this circumstance I fully agree.. all this tells me is that their power play generates quality chances that allows them to bury them .
We had one of the best CF in the league.. but a horrible PP%.
If they had low chances AND a low PP% that would be a concern . Maybe we wont have to listen to " we were getting good chances they just weren't going in "..game after game after game ..

[handgroen]

good to have huska on the bench for the kulak andersson mangiapane jankowski foos of the world

work hard and i'll see you up in the show

[getbak]

Originally Posted by handgroen

says in this darren haynes article he was brought on last year in new jersey

That was written two years ago when Treliving was searching for a new head coach and ultimately hired Gulutzan.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

The league really needs a better way to track PP stats. A 5 minute major counts as one powerplay, so does 5 seconds of pp time if you take a penalty while on the man advantage. Drives me nuts. Go with a GF/ppminute or something.

The Flames were on the power play for 450 minutes this season. They scored 43 goals, for a rate of 5.73 goals per 60 minutes, 4th worst in the league.



Vegas was at the halfway mark league wide with 7.6 goals per 60 minutes. Had the Flames been able to score at a league average rate, they would have scored an additional 14 goals, moving them from 5th worst, to 12th worst in overall league goals for.



A top 5 team scores 8.7+ goals per 60 minutes on the PP. If the Flames had a top PP, they would score an extra 22 goals, bringing them to exactly league average at total goal scoring.


Obviously, top end talent (that the Flames just don't have) plays a big part of a top PP. But I don't see any reason why a team shouldn't be able to be top 10 with the proper coaching. Hopefully whoever ends up being in charge of it can do a good job.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Terrible take. Huska has some talented youngsters but little to no veteran ringers. Basically the equivalent of an nhl rebuilding team. Multiple first round picks busts under him? You talking about Klimchuk and Poirier both who are still prospects and one of which had a substance issue issue?

Your take on Huska is borderline absurd.

The fact that you still think Poirier and Klimchuk are still prospects and not obvious busts is not borderline absurb, it is absurb. Stop trying to fudge the fact that Stockton had very deep skilled teams, nothing at all like a rebuilding team. Not even remotely close.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Toonage

No MacLean? Would have been interesting but we'll see. If it is Huska and Ward you have your defensive specialist and a PP specialist. Seems like a good mix.

And Friedman now confirming it

On my phone for sure someone can do a better embedding job

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/stat...011121153?s=19

https://twitter.com/user/status/1001963235011121153

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by getbak

That was written two years ago when Treliving was searching for a new head coach and ultimately hired Gulutzan.

well kiss my grits

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The fact that you still think Poirier and Klimchuk are still prospects and not obvious busts is not borderline absurb, it is absurb. Stop trying to fudge the fact that Stockton had very deep skilled teams, nothing at all like a rebuilding team. Not even remotely close.

No, he's exactly right. Stockton has had very little in the way of AHL vets, which is how you win in that league.

Instead, they focused on playing - and developing - their youth.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by handgroen

well kiss my grits

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The fact that you still think Poirier and Klimchuk are still prospects and not obvious busts is not borderline absurb, it is absurb. Stop trying to fudge the fact that Stockton had very deep skilled teams, nothing at all like a rebuilding team. Not even remotely close.

It's kind frightening how obtuse you are about those Stockton rosters, and the difference between their rosters year after and the rosters that actually win and compete for championships down there.

And then despite having it explained to you repeatedly, you continue to run around here parroting the same inaccurate view point over and over, and even get snippy about it.

[dammage79]

I'm like %100 convinced Huska has done some horrible things to dissents cereal or lawn repeatatively. maybe kicked his puppy when he was younger.

[GoJetsGo]

The unfortunate thing about the rumoured Huska hire isn't anything to do with him personally, it's that dissentowner's bizarre, irrational hard-headed hatred of the guy (much like his hang-up about Brodie) is going to highjack discussion for many months to come this summer.

[dammage79]

I guess now with Huska out as the developmental coach in Stockton, we should get a list going of ideal candidates to coach the Heat. If anything, Mr. D-towner should be happy we don't have a huska of a coach in stockton anymore.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's kind frightening how obtuse you are about those Stockton rosters, and the difference between their rosters year after and the rosters that actually win and compete for championships down there.

And then despite having it explained to you repeatedly, you continue to run around here parroting the same inaccurate view point over and over, and even get snippy about it.

Don't call me obtuse, take your insults elsewhere. I guarantee I watch more AHL games then you do, I would bet on it. Facts, lets deal in those. Stockton has done nothing since Huska has been coaching there. Fact. Jankowski, Andersson, and Kylington were all high end prospects that were already on their trajectory and not a product of Huska's coaching. Fact. Klimchuk, Shinkaruk, and Poirier have either regressed or made no progress under Huska. Fact. The biggest fact though is that there was very good experienced coaches available for both the head coaching job and the assistant coaches positions and BT went dumpster diving again instead of spending to give this roster a real shot at winning. Is Bill Peters an upgrade on GG? No, they are the same damn coach with exception that GG is more of a players coach whereas Bill can be harder. They are both Babcock disciples, they preach the same system. If anything GG gets a nod because he has actually at least made the playoffs. I don't know enough about Ward but he can't be worse then Cameron so there is that but he sure as hell is not as good as Paul MacLean. Maybe the owners don't want to spend the money and are fine with mediocrity behind the bench but I am freakin tired of it! I hope they prove me wrong but unless there is some big player changes coming I see a strong LV team that might win the Cup, a strong SJ team, a Ducks team that has a stacked D but are getting long in the tooth up front in a few places, an Oilers team that were terrible last year but hit a home run with their AC hires and despite how much I hate them they are going to be better, and a young Yotes team that is due to break out. Unless this team can add some depth in the bottom six and a legit top line RW this team is looking at dead last in the Pacific with this coaching squad. If they can add those pieces we can fight for a wild card. This was the perfect opportunity for BT to fix his screw up the first time and instead he just shuffled the chairs...

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

The unfortunate thing about the rumoured Huska hire isn't anything to do with him personally, it's that dissentowner's bizarre, irrational hard-headed hatred of the guy (much like his hang-up about Brodie) is going to highjack discussion for many months to come this summer.

Speaking of hijacking threads, here comes the king.... Are you still sore that you were proven wrong about Brodie? Get over it man.

[FanIn80]

So... our “super-experienced” NHL coaching staff is Peters, Huska and Ward?

Call me crazy, but in spite of everything that was said, I’m convinced that the most important requirement was “cheap.”

[dino7c]

Lol Oilers hit a "home run" with their coaching hires?

Dude take the rest of the night off you are acting like a clown