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Psytic · 03-26-2018, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Barca

Kings ransom?

he's 34 not 24, 3 more years at 6.75m

Tre would be lucky to get a 1st let alone a higher end RW.

Timonen got a first at 32. I still think you could get some pretty good value for Gio. Maybe a kings ransom was exaggerating but we could still get something good for him and I would trade him before Gaudreau.

DazzlinDino · 03-26-2018, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wired

Ya, you make a point of doing that every time I post.
Take it for what it is dino, a post from a fan who isn't happy.
And, if I read the other posts, I am not the only fan who has this opinion.
But that's cool if you feel the need to keep bashing me for "trolling".

Here's the thing; Your complaining about being called out for your post, "which you admitted you might get called out for". You said many people on CP were a bunch of homers; Yet when they responded by suggesting you were trolling you got upset. Calling CPer's homers while passing yourself as a Flames fan comes off as very trolish. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Unfortunately for you there is "a lot" of people who pay big bucks to watch Johnny play who don't have the same opinion as yours, so why are you upset when people don't agree with you?

If you think trading Johnny for a bunch of firsts is a great idea... now what? Start a new rebuild? Go through the draft and hope another skilled player falls to us? Isn't this how the oilers built their team collecting a bunch first round picks? It's been what 6, 7+ years now and the oilers are still rebuilding?

As for your suggestion Johnny doesn't want to play here, why not give us some hard cold facts so we know your not just making assumptions.

Dajazz · 03-26-2018, 04:04 AM

Trade Gaudreau?

lol

cannon7 · 03-26-2018, 06:37 AM

As far as I'm concerned, there are no untouchables after this disaster of a season.

Poe969 · 03-26-2018, 07:16 AM

Tkachuck is the closest thing to untouchable on this team IMO. I love him on the flames and I'd hate for the flames to have to play him.

This season has been a mess but it could turn around pretty quickly if the right changes and decisions are made. If the off season is a mess too, next year will be even worse.

kukkudo · 03-26-2018, 07:17 AM

Why would JT go from one garbage team to another garbage team haha

jlh2640 · 03-26-2018, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Psytic

Timonen got a first at 32. I still think you could get some pretty good value for Gio. Maybe a kings ransom was exaggerating but we could still get something good for him and I would trade him before Gaudreau.

If we traded Gaudreau we might as well start the rebuild over. Good lord some people (not you obviously). You do not build a team the right way by trading young players away after a tough season. Knee jerk reactions never work. We need change but not him. I said 2 years ago that we should be trading Gio for futures because I never thought we could be a serious contender for the next few years. Mike Smith however help us be more of one on paper. But we still have a ways to go .

Scroopy Noopers · 03-26-2018, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dajazz

Trade Gaudreau?

lol

Trade Gio????

LOL

kukkudo · 03-26-2018, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Trade Gio????

LOL

Well one is going to be 25 and the other one is going to be 35. I can see why some posters want to move him cause he probably should be declining shortly. Only way I would move him is if someone overpaid aka the Hamonic deal 2.0

Erick Estrada · 03-26-2018, 08:09 AM

Gio is declining from where he was a few years ago but he's still very effective and the most dependable defender on the team. I just can't see Treliving even considering moving him seeing how there's already a bit of a leadership void amongst this group.

I think fans are getting overly excited about this end of season swoon as for 3/4 of the season they were good enough to be in the playoff race despite a coaching staff that hindered success. Things don't need to be blown up. Sure a player like Brodie can be moved for some offensive help and there will be some shuffling in the bottom 6 but the team is close and only needs better coaching and a few tweaks. The talk of trading Gaudreau, Hamilton, Monahan, etc is ludicrous.

The Cobra · 03-26-2018, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Backlund isn't the most ideal 2nd line C due to the lack of finish but as a 3C he would win his matchups and not have to worry about producing like a top 6 center.

Third lines don't play against other team's third lines etc.

Backlund's line will play against the other teams' top line, as he'll be the shut don't guy. Getting Taveras won't change his role or usage.

Toonage · 03-26-2018, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Gio is declining from where he was a few years ago but he's still very effective and the most dependable defender on the team. I just can't see Treliving even considering moving him seeing how there's already a bit of a leadership void amongst this group.

I think fans are getting overly excited about this end of season swoon as for 3/4 of the season they were good enough to be in the playoff race despite a coaching staff that hindered success. Things don't need to be blown up. Sure a player like Brodie can be moved for some offensive help and there will be some shuffling in the bottom 6 but the team is close and only needs better coaching and a few tweaks. The talk of trading Gaudreau, Hamilton, Monahan, etc is ludicrous.

I lurked a bit on this site over the weekend and what I read was nuts.

Corral · 03-26-2018, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Gio is declining from where he was a few years ago but he's still very effective and the most dependable defender on the team. I just can't see Treliving even considering moving him seeing how there's already a bit of a leadership void amongst this group.

I think fans are getting overly excited about this end of season swoon as for 3/4 of the season they were good enough to be in the playoff race despite a coaching staff that hindered success. Things don't need to be blown up. Sure a player like Brodie can be moved for some offensive help and there will be some shuffling in the bottom 6 but the team is close and only needs better coaching and a few tweaks. The talk of trading Gaudreau, Hamilton, Monahan, etc is ludicrous.

For a team whose 'window' was apparently opened this season, this end of season swoon is real cause for concern. But really - the signs were there in mid January when the team gassed several games in a row against losers. the coaching staff has to go at this point given what has transpired, but a shake up on the ice is also needed. This group doesn't look like championship material - and the Flames brass know it.

Scroopy Noopers · 03-26-2018, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kukkudo

Well one is going to be 25 and the other one is going to be 35. I can see why some posters want to move him cause he probably should be declining shortly. Only way I would move him is if someone overpaid aka the Hamonic deal 2.0

I was just mimicking what I thought was the perfect response posted above about Johnny. Who is the backbone of our offence. Gio is the backbone of the team.

Resolute 14 · 03-26-2018, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Tkachuk - Tavares - ________
Gaudreau - Monahan - ________
________ - Backlund - ________

Basically running two legit #1 lines and then you have a very strong two way 3rd line center to anchor line 3.

Shouldn't be hard to fill in the blanks there and have an elite top 9.

Now just need to hypnotize JT and make him sign here.

Except the only way you fit Tavares financially is to trade Monahan or Backlund.

So the real question, assuming it takes something a bit more reasonable like $10 million for Tavares, is: does he provide enough of an improvement over a guy you're moving out to justify the extra cost?

Monahammer · 03-26-2018, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Tkachuk - Tavares - ________
Gaudreau - Monahan - ________
________ - Backlund - ________

Basically running two legit #1 lines and then you have a very strong two way 3rd line center to anchor line 3.

Shouldn't be hard to fill in the blanks there and have an elite top 9.

Now just need to hypnotize JT and make him sign here.

Hypnotize him with Money. It's the only way.

Monahammer · 03-26-2018, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Except the only way you fit Tavares financially is to trade Monahan or Backlund.

So the real question, assuming it takes something a bit more reasonable like $10 million for Tavares, is: does he provide enough of an improvement over a guy you're moving out to justify the extra cost?

We can definitely fit him under the cap structure. When Tkachuk and Bennett need raises we might have to make a choice about shipping someone out, but if Tkachuk can stay around 5-6 on a shorter term at first, and if Bennett doesn't improve much more we won't actually have a problem.

Here is the math I did for a theoretical Kovalchuk deal:

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

If we can get rid of Michael Stone and replace him with Andersson, and sign Jankowski to a deal at ~1.5 million, we could throw approx. 12.7 million for 1 year at him.

Gaudreau (6.75) - Monahan (6.375) - Kovalchuk (12.7)
Tkachuk (.925)- Backlund (5.35) - Frolik (4.3)
Bennett (1.95) - Jankowski (1.5) - Ferland (1.75)
Hathaway (.650)- Lazar (.950) - Brouwer (4.5)
(extra forward ~ .650)
48.65 million for forwards

Giordano (6.75)- Hamilton (5.75)
Brodie (4.650)- Hamonic (3.857)
Kulak (1) - Andersson (.755)
(extra d ~.650)
23.412 Million for D

Mike Smith ( 4.25)
Rittich (1)
5.25 million for G

Cap: 78 Mil
Buyouts: 904,167
Committed: 77.012
Total:77,916,167
Remaining: -83,833

If we feel comfortable moving on from Brodie for a rookie D man, or if we can somehow ditch Brouwer it makes the situation very doable long term.

Tkachuk-Tavares-Bennett
Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Frolik-Backlund-Lazar
Mangiapane-Shore-Hathaway

Giordano-Hamilton
Valimaki-Hamonic
Kylington-Andersson

Our only real hole going forward after that would be future in net. I don't think Smith will outlive this contract. Maybe Rittich or Gillies but both looked suspect.

Erick Estrada · 03-26-2018, 08:48 AM

There are going to be teams like the Canucks with almost $25 million in cap space that will be able to offer Tavares McDavid like money. I don't think the Flames can match that.

Monahammer · 03-26-2018, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There are going to be teams like the Canucks with almost $25 million in cap space that will be able to offer Tavares McDavid like money. I don't think the Flames can match that.

I just showed that we could offer McDavid money (potentially more), though the only team that can offer him McDavid term is the Islanders. Who would choose the Canucks over the flames right now!

jlh2640 · 03-26-2018, 08:57 AM

I am in, lets sign Tavares