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Old 12-29-2017, 10:48 AM   #221
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This season is like an old Harem Scarem song.

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Old 12-29-2017, 10:51 AM   #222
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3) WAY too many times the D gives up the offensive blueline. Drives me insane. Over and over, the D just backs up and gives the other team 100 feet of ice. On one occasion, there was a battle for the puck at the offensive blueline (by the winger). The Sharks got the puck and moved it up to the lead forward at centre ice. Did our D pressure him? Nope. Both D were already behind the Flames blueline, at least 30 feet from the lead forward. Needless to say, he simply skated into the zone with the puck, unmarked, and it led to a full shift in the Flames' zone. I lost 2 years of my life watching that.
I honestly thought they were doing a good job of pressure in November and the goals-for were an indication of that. The turn around in my eyes is that since the Edmonton game the defense has gotten gun-shy. There were a lot of bad turnovers at the offensive blueline that led to breakaways in both the Edmonton and Toronto games, Brodie's major gaffe sticks out in my mind.

It was a bad call at the time but instead of learning from it and adjusting slightly, they have gone fully the other way and no longer pressure but back-off immediately. I don't know if that's a coaching decision or if the players are now afraid to pressure. Either way it has led to a lack of offensive zone pressure time and easy giving up the defensive zone.
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Old 12-29-2017, 10:52 AM   #223
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1) it is amazing how much better the team looks on the road - more structure, better transition, more physical. It is difficult to figure out how their game can look this different.
#1 problem with this team by far, can't bring the "road team" to home games. If they did we wouldn't be talking about firing Gulutzan we'd be talking about being 2nd in our division.
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Old 12-29-2017, 10:56 AM   #224
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Hrivik & Klimchuk get called up.

Stajan & Brouwer to the pressbox.

Freddie & Lazar on waivers.
Something like that might work. The 4th line needs to be down around 8 mins a game so a couple of rookies and Brouwer may work. Not sure if there would be any cap issues as I haven't looked at the Flames current state in a while.

Right now I think there are two big issues. Top line falling off the face of the earth with Ferland Monahan really struggling causing Johnny to try and do a little too much. And the overall passiveness of the defense. Kulak is the only one that pressures opposing players especially in the offensive zone. We have a really good defense being wasted right now.
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Old 12-29-2017, 11:00 AM   #225
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This season is like an old Harem Scarem song.

I forgot all about these guys. I think I saw them at Frankie and Johnny's north.
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Old 12-29-2017, 11:01 AM   #226
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I honestly thought they were doing a good job of pressure in November and the goals-for were an indication of that. The turn around in my eyes is that since the Edmonton game the defense has gotten gun-shy. There were a lot of bad turnovers at the offensive blueline that led to breakaways in both the Edmonton and Toronto games, Brodie's major gaffe sticks out in my mind.

It was a bad call at the time but instead of learning from it and adjusting slightly, they have gone fully the other way and no longer pressure but back-off immediately. I don't know if that's a coaching decision or if the players are now afraid to pressure. Either way it has led to a lack of offensive zone pressure time and easy giving up the defensive zone.
You may be right, but I have been frustrated with the way they back up too easily since last year.

When Gulutzan was hired, a video of his coaching philosophy was floating around. I remember watching it and being so excited about how he talked about owning both bluelines. And I remembered how aggressively the Canucks defensemen pinched a few years ago. I was so encouraged, and couldn't wait to finally have a team that was going to play high pressure defense.

But watching this team from day 1 under Gulutzan and they NEVER play high pressure defense. They give up both bluelines without so much as a whimper.

Last year, I figured the team was still adjusting and still learning. And I assumed that, as confidence grew, they would start to play more aggressively. But more than 100 games later, it has never happened.

When I watch them play, I see a team that has been coached to play 50/50 hockey. A team that is trying not to lose.
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Old 12-29-2017, 11:14 AM   #227
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I forgot all about these guys. I think I saw them at Frankie and Johnny's north.
Are you talking about the Flames, or Harem Scarem?
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Old 12-29-2017, 11:55 AM   #228
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Last night's ending really reinforced my view that the NHL needs to drop the shootout in favour of just letting 3 on 3 end the game.

Even if the Flames had won the SO - it was still a let down and much less entertaining than the 3 on 3.
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:01 PM   #229
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Monahan
Tkachuk
Gaudreau

It’s not hard Gulutzan - quit trying to over think it all the time .. it’s maddening
Monahan
Tkachuk
Jagr

Ferland/Gaudreau/Jankowski

Rest of the roster minus Stajan

Then Backlund.
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:04 PM   #230
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Going in, I felt the flames needed 4 out of 6 in these 3 games. Win tonight, and things immediately feel much better...

Lost in all this, is Rittich is looking like a legit nhl goalie through his first 5 starts. He's been extremely calm out there.

This team is built upon a game plan of winning low scoring games or stretching the game past regulation where they have an edge. It's not a good game plan, and definitely not one that a trajectory to being a strong playoff will be observed....

It's very Brent Sutter like where the strong offensive D we have is being wasted yet again.
I agree but it is not like they didn't have chances in the 3rd period to pad the lead. They need one more top 6 forward to be able to win these close games. I believe that if the Flames ever get up by 2 they have a system to close out games.
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:05 PM   #231
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Keep beating the drum man. The team/coaching is not a cup team. End of the day its just not working.

No one on this board even can explain what his system is. You sound like an idiot when you keep banging the "system" drum because you can't explain to me what he should do differently.

Attack more? how? What does that even mean? Do you mean two guys deep? More forecheck/ Puck support? Just tell me what you would change.

outshooting a better team on the road in the third period is not "sitting back".


The power play is a disaster though and that does need to be changed. I can expand on how I would change it if you'd like instead of saying "FIRE CAMERON PP SUCKS DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:06 PM   #232
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Sucky loss, but at least they got a point. I do still have faith the team will go on a run, so those loser points will hopefully add up over time.
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:18 PM   #233
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It is the exact same system Babcock uses. How in the world did Canada ever win Gold or Detroit ever win a SC with that system?
Well Babcock is not only a coach...he is also a teacher.

GG not so much. He is said to have a great mind for the game of hockey but he can't seem to get those ideas across.

You can have any system in the world but you need someone at the top who can actually teach it and you need the horses for that race as well.
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:50 PM   #234
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The flames were definitely sitting back in the third. I was explaining to a friend who doesn't watch hockey how all the flames were doing was "dump it out" and how they always do this and it is a recipe for losing.
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:53 PM   #235
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That was the finish Gulutzan wanted when he got mad at Johnny for not playing it safe. Hold on for 3+ minutes to grab a point.
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:56 PM   #236
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The flames were definitely sitting back in the third. I was explaining to a friend who doesn't watch hockey how all the flames were doing was "dump it out" and how they always do this and it is a recipe for losing.
They outshot the Sharks in the 3rd period last night.

Though that may be a tad anecdotal, last night was only the 2nd time in the last 47 games where the Flames entered the 3rd period with a lead and lost according to the morning crew on the Fan earlier today.

Seems like whatever they do in the 3rd with a lead is a recipe for winning about 90% of the time.
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