[PGT] Pens 1 Flames 2 in OT

[EldrickOnIce]

Maybe this is moving somewhere good?
IMO, Tanner Glass should never see the ice. However, if you are going to insert him in the lineup, Reaves is one of the very few guys I'd want to see Glass against.
That Glass never played today is hopefully a sign we see him in the lineup less going forward.

[HappyGilmore]

My Oiler friend keeps going on about the Flames always getting teams off a Oiler back 2 back. Anyone know what the actual number would be for the end of the year? Are the Flames always getting a tired team ?

[AC]

Originally Posted by HappyGilmore

My Oiler friend keeps going on about the Flames always getting teams off a Oiler back 2 back. Anyone know what the actual number would be for the end of the year? Are the Flames always getting a tired team ?

Edmonton finishes with more.

Edmonton will have 11 games against a tired team while rested, the Flames will have 7.
Flames also play 11 games while tired against a rested team, Edmonton will play 8.


Last year:
Edmonton got to play a tired team 19 times to Calgary's 14.
Edmonton played while tired 8 times, while Calgary played tired 10 times.

So Edmonton has had the advantage in both categories yet again.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by AC

Edmonton finishes with more.

Edmonton will have 11 games against a tired team while rested, the Flames will have 7.
Flames also play 11 games while tired against a rested team, Edmonton will play 8.


Last year:
Edmonton got to play a tired team 19 times to Calgary's 14.
Edmonton played while tired 8 times, while Calgary played tired 10 times.

So Edmonton has had the advantage in both categories yet again.

So your saying Edmonton fans can't do research or math?

Seems about right.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by HappyGilmore

My Oiler friend keeps going on about the Flames always getting teams off a Oiler back 2 back. Anyone know what the actual number would be for the end of the year? Are the Flames always getting a tired team ?

Let's not be so weak here, fella. As a sports fan you should be able to combat, say "Thanks for the tired team loser!" laugh at him and walk away.

[The_Rug]

I don’t know if tired is the right word after a night in Edmonton. More of a warm-up game.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by HappyGilmore

My Oiler friend keeps going on about the Flames always getting teams off a Oiler back 2 back. Anyone know what the actual number would be for the end of the year? Are the Flames always getting a tired team ?

It's like having the most generous Tired/Rested schedule in the league last season wasn't good enough for them. Flames are getting the backup goaltenders for sure but you can't parade around that you have the best player in the game and expect teams are going to roll out the red carpet for McDavid with their backup goaltenders.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

I think you are missing the point.

A couple things, first - what made you think I needed to refute your points?

You gave some subjective arguments about some things you liked about the game. Why would I try to prove you wrong on those? I'm not trying to prove you wrong.

Saying I "endlessly post my opinion" quickly leads me to believe you don't actually know who I am as a poster on this site. You are lumping me into a group of obsessive negative posters to which I don't belong. You can click on my username and review my post history. It's ok if you are confusing me with someone else, but that ain't me.

I think we all know that people who post watch the games. I watched the game. I watch all the games. I think everyone here does. I don't think you find your way onto a niche forum like this without a near obsessive love of the sport and team. And further, I think we can all agree that saying "did you watch the game" isn't constructive. Just because my viewpoint is different than yours doesn't mean I couldn't have watched the game. Of course I did. And of course you did. That's silly.

In terms of the goalie and his talents, with the percentage this team is shooting at, the Flames could make any goalie appear to be more talented than he is. This is not Carey Price the Flames were shooting at tonight.

I just want you to know that I'm not trolling around on this forum. I'm a part of this community. I'm sorry we didn't see the game the same way tonight.

I'm not sure what point I'm missing, as I've addressed everything you said.

And refuting my points is an awfully stiff way to view a conversation, but engaging in conversation is what I'm touching on. When I say 'you countered none of them' I'm talking more to the concept of a conversation from differing views. You gave multiple reasons you thought the game was poor, I gave multiple reasons I thought the opposite - reasons I thought outweighed yours, you reiterated your same thought, complained that we disagreed and cited our hatred for humanity. So yes, it would have been more constructive to have a conversation about some things I said.

And the diatribe of sadness on this forum is the confusing part. We clearly must all like the team to be here, so it's confusing why the narrative is so abundantly negative this early in the season. I understand that you watch the games, but (and maybe this isn't you, as you point out) it feels as though some are watching the games FOR the negative. I'll hear about the 4th line and a defensive gaff far more than I'll hear about Jankowski's sudden burst of speed from the blueline in that almost resulted in a beauty.

Whether or not we faced a backup is irrelevant. If we're planning the cup parade after beating the Pens on a B2B facing their backup, sure... pour some water on it. But your theme this thread has been that this game should be considered a negative, as "it's abundantly clear to [you] that the Flames have major problems right now". That's where we disagree, and I made points to show why I disagree with you. We saw two strong periods of play that most of us here really liked. But it seems that anything less than blowing the SCCs out of the building was a complete failure. I saw a lot of pushback from the Pens, and I personally think we took it to them more than the Oilers did. I watched the Oilers game, and I was worried about how much energy this team was going to have facing us.

If it's not your typical post, that's fine. But I will ask what you've been reading on this forum that led you to think that what we needed was MORE of a downer-dose. We have plenty of it everywhere I look.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by HappyGilmore

My Oiler friend keeps going on about the Flames always getting teams off a Oiler back 2 back. Anyone know what the actual number would be for the end of the year? Are the Flames always getting a tired team ?

I heard it when we played the Capitals and got Grubauer, and the Oilers got Holtby on the 28th. However, what they kept glossing over was that they got the Holtby that was pulled after posting a .773 letting in 5 on 22 just a few days before against the Canucks.

You would think that the next game would go to Grubauer, but they chose to save the Grubauer start for us.

I would typically say that you play your better goalie against the team that has McDavid, but that game I would argue we got their stronger goalie at the time. But I'm also not viewing our team as inferior to theirs when we get the backup. You play our team with your Defence. You play their team trying to stop one of the better players in the world. Occasionally he's going to beat your D, and you want the better goalie there to try and stop it.

[Resolute 14]

A lot of shots both ways last night, but most of them ended up fired right at the logos. Especially from our side. A lot of wierd deflections as well, however.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by memphusk

When do we play Philly? That should solve any scoring woes.

Florida. You want to play the Panthers right now if you want to score goals.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

That's true. I do come for the gifs and ATL. Nobody came here for my cold criticism of a win eked out against the SC champs. I get that people are going to jump on that bandwagon with me too easily. I'm glad we aren't pulling a toilet bowl maneuver like the Oil. Things could be far worse. And yeah, like I think the majority of the forum, I think we have more cylinders to fire and the season should only get better. I guess I'm just waiting for that breakout game.

I'm glad you can convey the same message as me without eliciting a militant response.

A win is awesome, and a row to boot. However the team has a long way to go and I don't see GG being the guy.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

A lot of shots both ways last night, but most of them ended up fired right at the logos. Especially from our side. A lot of wierd deflections as well, however.

Yeah it kind of bugs me that a lot of this teams shots this season have either been right in the bread basket or wide of the net. Also plenty of muffin shots that are attempted in hopes of deflections that never materialize. We talk about not getting bounces or bad luck but this team is making things way too easy on opposition goaltenders most nights. It seems Smith has been tasked nightly with making far more difficult saves than the guy on the other side of the ice.

[---Hatrick---]

Haha. Just once, I would like to not see any comments after a game about how GG isn't the right coach for this team

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by ---Hatrick---

Haha. Just once, I would like to not see any comments after a game about how GG isn't the right coach for this team

I wouldn't hold your breath. There are a couple posters that only post about Gulutzan either directly or indirectly.

[The Fonz]

Does anyone know if shots are up league-wide this season? Darren Haynes commented a few weeks back that there was a rule change in regards to what is classified as a SOG, and that the shot counters figure it results in an extra 3-5 shots over the course of the game.

I'm not sure if that meant 3-5 shots per team, or in the game overall. Regardless, this could explain why we're seeing so many 40+ shot games this year, as well as why so many tenders have .930+ SV%s. The shots that previously wouldn't have counted, as they had no chance of actually going in, are now being counted... so in theory, every goaltender's SV% should be inflated by around .004 - .008 this season.

Haynes is the only one that I've heard report this, so not sure the validity.

[Toonage]

Craig Button also commented on Leafs Lunch how the new slashing rules have lead to more shot attempts and thus more goals.

[getbak]

This link should take you to a report of the last two seasons sorted by overall shots per game per team: http://www.nhl.com/stats/team?report...hotsForPerGame


Last season, Pittsburgh led the league in shots per game. Right now, 7 teams are averaging at least as many this season. Of the 25 highest-shooting teams in these two seasons, 20 are from this season. Only 5 are from last.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Does anyone know if shots are up league-wide this season? Darren Haynes commented a few weeks back that there was a rule change in regards to what is classified as a SOG, and that the shot counters figure it results in an extra 3-5 shots over the course of the game.

I'm not sure if that meant 3-5 shots per team, or in the game overall. Regardless, this could explain why we're seeing so many 40+ shot games this year, as well as why so many tenders have .930+ SV%s. The shots that previously wouldn't have counted, as they had no chance of actually going in, are now being counted... so in theory, every goaltender's SV% should be inflated by around .004 - .008 this season.

Haynes is the only one that I've heard report this, so not sure the validity.

GG also mentioned it. Kind of funny that they did this to get some consistency in all the building with shots but I think some teams are trigger happy (looking at you Edmonton). I think Calgary has some old school stat keepers as it sometimes takes 30 seconds to for them to register a shot.

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I wouldn't hold your breath. There are a couple posters that only post about Gulutzan either directly or indirectly.

I notice this too.
Everyone has an opinion and i'm all for a fair debate. It just gets exhausting seeing it over and over, especially after a big W. There's at least 2 threads active right now for that debate