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Old 06-25-2017, 04:04 PM   #221
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Old 06-25-2017, 04:14 PM   #222
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Could Tre have orchestrated a move down a spot if he knew the leafs were going to pick Liljegren, and thus get the 17th plus an extra pick?
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Old 06-25-2017, 04:16 PM   #223
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jumping the gun a little bit..



He may be eligible for the AHL IF his Finnish club loaned him to the CHL, which isn't confirmed yet, but signs point that way.



Even if he was eligible, the Flames may not think being in the AHL is the best for his development right now. They still may send him back to Tri City.


If Valimaki's parents have anything to say about it, no way they should let him go to Stockton. The city is a hole, and it's not a surprise Poirer ends up with a substance abuse problem living there. The team needs to be making an effort to lower risk of this happening again. Sounds alarmist.....but it's a real issue there
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All Finnish children, starting in first grade, take conversational English or Swedish as a compulsory subject, through 12th grade.

Most take English and are fluent by the time they are teenagers.
If you say so


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If Valimaki's parents have anything to say about it, no way they should let him go to Stockton. The city is a hole, and it's not a surprise Poirer ends up with a substance abuse problem living there. The team needs to be making an effort to lower risk of this happening again. Sounds alarmist.....but it's a real issue there
And that's Poirer's fault, not Stockton's. If he was already prone to substance abuse, it would of started in any city
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I've marinated in this pick selection for a couple of days now and I'm really pumped. Valimaki gets the game. And 90% of success comes from sheer will. And that is his biggest single trait. I think the scouts may be downplaying their projections of this guy just to keep from getting roasted. Button doesn't gush much and he could hardly containain himself
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Old 06-25-2017, 05:45 PM   #228
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He reminds meof a skinny, young Brett Hull.
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He reminds meof a skinny, young Brett Hull.
Or a slightly shorter, more skilled Joe Colborne.
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Old 06-25-2017, 06:06 PM   #230
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More knowledgeable people, how does he compare to Sergachev, Provorov, Juolevi, and Bean from the last few drafts?
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Old 06-25-2017, 06:18 PM   #231
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More knowledgeable people, how does he compare to Sergachev, Provorov, Juolevi, and Bean from the last few drafts?
https://flamesnation.ca/2017/06/24/a...uuso-valimaki/

Tied with Provorov at the top statistically.
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could be worse.

Oh that's cute.


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More knowledgeable people, how does he compare to Sergachev, Provorov, Juolevi, and Bean from the last few drafts?
I'd say he's a tier below Provorov, a safer bet with maybe not as high of a ceiling as Serg, much better than Bean defensively, and probably on par or even better than Juolevi. Juolevi went much higher than he should've, I'd say Valimaki could be more dynamic from just watching him skate in some videos. Next season will be a good indication on where he slots as far as prospects go. Chabot was drafted 18th but is now widely considered one of if not the best D prosepect and Valimaki put up similar point totals in a more defensive league. That doesn't mean too much but his point totals in his draft year for a Dman are very very impressive. Will be nice to get more footage of him over the coming year and at the WJC. He most likely will stay in junior so I am hoping to catch him everytime they play in Victoria

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Provorov(shouldn't really be with this group as he is a stud NHL're)
Serg
Juolevi Valimaki
Bean

Some Finnish posters on HF rank Valimaki higher that Heiskanen, these guys follow their country's prospects very intently and the vast majority hold Valimaki in a very high regard and have tracked him for years. If you are interested go check out some Finnish prospect threads on HF and you will get some good analysis of Valimaki.

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Where did Finland get all these defensemen from? Seems like they always developed great goalies and forwards but never any defense. All of a sudden, half of the 1st round is Finnish defense.
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Where did Finland get all these defensemen from? Seems like they always developed great goalies and forwards but never any defense. All of a sudden, half of the 1st round is Finnish defense.

Finland per capita has the most ice rinks(I think so, that is some one on tv said.)

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Old 06-25-2017, 10:59 PM   #236
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Where did Finland get all these defensemen from? Seems like they always developed great goalies and forwards but never any defense. All of a sudden, half of the 1st round is Finnish defense.
Could just be an abnormal year for them. They've traditionally had around 2 players selected in the 1st round, always at least a forward and often a defenseman.

Big year for them since there's 4 defensemen taken in the first 18 picks which make it seem like a huge difference than usual.
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Old 06-26-2017, 01:26 AM   #237
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The one thing you have to consider in his stats is he's a hockey year older than a lot of those comparable. Until the NHL draft your hockey age is based on the calendar year. When the NHL draft comes, the date changes. If he was a Canadian - he'd have just completed his third year in the WHL while most of the draft eligible guys would have finished two. That is a bit of cold water on his numbers.

That said - there are benefits to this as well. You've got more info on the player so he should be less volatile in his development. Monahan was a guy with a late birthday as well and that turned out pretty well.
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The one thing you have to consider in his stats is he's a hockey year older than a lot of those comparable. Until the NHL draft your hockey age is based on the calendar year. When the NHL draft comes, the date changes. If he was a Canadian - he'd have just completed his third year in the WHL while most of the draft eligible guys would have finished two. That is a bit of cold water on his numbers.
the list "AC" posted has good comparisions... they take age into account..seth jones was in the late birthday camp for his draft as well.. provorov had a january birthday... so he was only three months younger during his draft year, not that far off... codi ceci was mostly 18 during his draft year with a december birthday..
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The one thing you have to consider in his stats is he's a hockey year older than a lot of those comparable. Until the NHL draft your hockey age is based on the calendar year. When the NHL draft comes, the date changes. If he was a Canadian - he'd have just completed his third year in the WHL while most of the draft eligible guys would have finished two. That is a bit of cold water on his numbers.

That said - there are benefits to this as well. You've got more info on the player so he should be less volatile in his development. Monahan was a guy with a late birthday as well and that turned out pretty well.
Adjusting for situation, era, age, and league, he's still the highest-scoring defenceman in the draft.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...dI8/edit#gid=0
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