[News] Vegas signs Engelland from Flames in expansion draft (1yr, $1mil + $1mil bonus)

[Reggie Dunlop]

Vegas did better than I thought. Engelland at least has another year in him. I thought it would be a two-year deal.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I'm convinced this is why we heard rumblings earlier from Treliving that the Flames were looking to bring Engelland back. By planting those seeds early, Treliving Jedi mind tricked Vegas to opt to sign the hometown Engelland instead of potentially walking away with another player and Engelland but risk having Calgary re - sign Engelland instead.

Engelland was the best player the Flames exposed, no trickery required.

[btimbit]

Was happy we lost a player that likely wasn't coming back anyway, but for that price, I would have loved him back.

Oh well. Still made out way better in the expansion draft than most teams. Good luck in Vegas Engelland! Should be fun

[dino7c]

2M cap hit?

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Actually, it does.

You can pretend it doesn't but when most of the team's bottom forwards were available and some prospects as well and Vegas decided they'd rather take no one, that does tell you a little about our depth.

The Flames were lucky. This expansion draft caught them just at the right moment. If it happens a year from now or two years from now, they would be one of the teams making deals with Vegas.

Aside from the players they protected, Tkachuk and Jankowski were ineligible, Versteeg is a UFA, and they have not signed/traded for a top line winger yet. Next year, conceivably Calgary would have Jankowski, Versteeg, and a top line winger they would have to consider protecting and Lazar and Ferland/Frolik would be possibly exposed.

On defence, Stone was a UFA, so was DE, so was Wideman. Andersson is ineligible. Kulak and Wotherspoon are both waiver eligible so are difficult picks to make. Again, one more year and the Flames would have many defence options for Vegas to choose from.

In goal, they traded away Chad Johnson. Elliott is UFA. Gillies is ineligible. And again, another year and Gillies and a backup signed to more than one year would be available.

Flames lucked out. And Brad Treliving was smart not to commit to any players knowing this was coming.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Actually, it does.

You can pretend it doesn't but when most of the team's bottom forwards were available and some prospects as well and Vegas decided they'd rather take no one, that does tell you a little about our depth.

Have to agree with this. The Flames top players are decent but this team has little in the way of quality depth. There are some younger pieces in the organization that weren't subject to this draft but there's just as good a chance that they become the next Piorier, Klimchuk, Shinkaruk, Wotherspoon, etc. These were high draft picks and plenty of teams had guys like this that were valuable but the Flames simply haven't been able to hit on enough young players to be in a position where they have a surplus of emerging young talent.

[theinfinitejar]

Can we please not replace Engalland with some goon. How about this time we play defenceman that can pass and break out of the zone.


This idea that guys paid millions of dollars to be #### disturbers will suddenly stop doing their ####-disturbing job because they might have to fight once a game is so absurd.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

They didn't take no one. They took an NHL defensemen named Engelland. Arguably the most valuable player we exposed.

Why would they want our overpaid depth forwards? All of our best assets were protected. We didn't have any stupid NMC we had to protect. Important assets like Gillies, Parsons, Jankowski, Tkachuk, Andersson, Kylington all exempt. Those are part of our depth. So no, the expansion draft doesn't really tell you a ton about our depth at all.

They could have had Engelland in a few weeks if they wanted and picked a different Flame like Kulak or even Chiasson.

The Vegas GM specifically said he'd "burn picks" but some Flame fans are still denying they didn't want any of our players?

[DropIt]

Vegas is going to be awful.

But still may finish ahead of Colorado...

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

They could have had Engelland in a few weeks if they wanted and picked a different Flame like Kulak or even Chiasson.

The Vegas GM specifically said he'd "burn picks" but some Flame fans are still denying they didn't want any of our players?

Relax dude, it's just your opinion, no need to force feed everyone.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

Can we please not replace Engalland with some goon. How about this time we play defenceman that can pass and break out of the zone.


This idea that guys paid millions of dollars to be #### disturbers will suddenly stop doing their ####-disturbing job because they might have to fight once a game is so absurd.

Until you don't have one. This team is far too soft to not have some muscle on the roster

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

They could have had Engelland in a few weeks if they wanted and picked a different Flame like Kulak or even Chiasson.

The Vegas GM specifically said he'd "burn picks" but some Flame fans are still denying they didn't want any of our players?

I think someone else would have overpaid Engelland and he'd have almost been forced to sign. So McPhee took advantage of his head start and Engelland's uncertainty to get a sweetheart deal.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Vegas did better than I thought. Engelland at least has another year in him. I thought it would be a two-year deal.

Can't give him a bonus on a 2 year deal.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

They could have had Engelland in a few weeks if they wanted and picked a different Flame like Kulak or even Chiasson.

The Vegas GM specifically said he'd "burn picks" but some Flame fans are still denying they didn't want any of our players?

Are you being obtuse? No guarantee they sign Engelland if they wait til July 1st.

Not sure why you keep bringing up the "burn picks" comment since they already signed Engelland.

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

They could have had Engelland in a few weeks if they wanted and picked a different Flame like Kulak or even Chiasson.

The Vegas GM specifically said he'd "burn picks" but some Flame fans are still denying they didn't want any of our players?

There is no denying that Vegas didn't want any of the Flames players available to them. However, it does not then logically proceed to "Flames have no depth". The Flames happened to be very lucky that several of their top prospects were ineligible and they had several key positions that were UFAs.

[icarus]

That's a bargain for Engelland who is steady and physical. Agree that the Flames will need to replace his toughness somehow.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Until you don't have one. This team is far too soft to not have some muscle on the roster

This team isn't soft. We're maybe average

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Until you don't have one. This team is far too soft to not have some muscle on the roster

The enforcer role is dead, man. No room for guys that can't play at an NHL level anymore.

Especially on the back-end. Be really nice if we could have a 3rd pairing that wasn't an automatic minute-plus shift in their own zone.

[FireGilbert]

I would have loved having Engelland back on that contract. Still not a huge loss however and it opens up a spot for a young defenceman.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

There is no denying that Vegas didn't want any of the Flames players available to them. However, it does not then logically proceed to "Flames have no depth". The Flames happened to be very lucky that several of their top prospects were ineligible and they had several key positions that were UFAs.

I can say that the team simply dropped the ball on drafting players that fit in this timeline. If they hit on the Poirier, Klimchuk, Witherspoon, or any other players drafted in that timeline they would have been in a predicament as Ferland and maybe another player would have had to be left unprotected. Since they whiffed on those drafts largely and a lot of their roster bottom guys are below average or overpaid they were "lucky". You can argue that unlucky teams simply have better organizational depth than the Flames and I believe there's some truth to that. God bless him but if Ferland is a top line winger on your team, you have depth issues.