Should Treliving Acquire Iginla by Mar 1?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

He wants to win a cup. Why are the flames a fit again?

Why is this so hard to grasp?

1) He's tried picking cup favourites before, it hasn't worked

2) Not all top rated teams will be looking / inclined to add him

3) Once you get in, anything can happen. He's not on a playoff team now, and we're currently in a playoff position and one of the hottest teams in the league in our last ten. Considering he's on the worst team in the league now, anyone with a good shot at the playoffs is a better option for him than where he's at.

[LanceUppercut]

4th round or lower and he is worth taking a look at. Run him on the 4th line 5 on 5 and put him in on the first PP unit as the right shot in place of Brouwer.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by edslunch

The Flames need help at RW - someone who can finish reliably. They should get the best player they can to fill this role. If Iginla is the best they can get then yes, he is worth getting. Hopefully they can get someone better.

Iginla would be tied (with Chiasson) for 12th on this team in goals. I agree that getting a reliable scorer would be great, I just seriously question whether he's the best we can do.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Iginla would be tied (with Chiasson) for 12th on this team in goals. I agree that getting a reliable scorer would be great, I just seriously question whether he's the best we can do.

And if Chiasson was on the Avs, just like everyone on that team (including their stars) his stats would be severely deflated. So that isn't an apt comparison at all.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Iginla would be tied (with Chiasson) for 12th on this team in goals. I agree that getting a reliable scorer would be great, I just seriously question whether he's the best we can do.

You should watch some Avs games. You'll understand why Iggy would be tied with Chiasson. I started watching the Avs a few weeks ago, and boy oh boy...that team is trash and Iggy is one of the few guys actually trying night in and night out. I feel bad for him. That team has been mismanaged into oblivion.

Oh, and for reference:

Mackinnon (12 goals)
Landeskog (11 goals)
Iginla (8 goals)

Comparing Avs to the Flames depth scoring is not a good comparison. Our entire team is built on spreading the scoring out and not relying on any one specific line, oh and not filling lines with league worst talent like Comeau, Colborne, Soderberg, and on and on and on. The Avs roster is filled with dead weight and it's pulling down all of their players and their team. It's an awful, awful hockey team.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

3) Once you get in, anything can happen. He's not on a playoff team now, and we're currently in a playoff position and one of the hottest teams in the league in our last ten. Considering he's on the worst team in the league now, anyone with a good shot at the playoffs is a better option for him than where he's at.

I feel like this is often brushed off as romanticizing, but it's true.

LA won two cups, and finishing 6th and 8th in the West on their way.
Chicago won a cup finishing 3rd in the Central.

San Jose made the finals finishing 3rd in the Pacific.
New Jersey made the finals finishing 5th in the East (4th in the Atlantic).

Since 2009/10:
Number of times a team finished 3rd or lower in their division and made the finals - 6
Number of times a team finished 1st or 2nd in their division and made the finals - 8

The chances are better, sure, but entering as a lower seed isn't an automatic out. You really never know what could happen.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

He went to the Avs so it's not like winning the cup is high on his to do list.

ya ya. he chased the money. we get it.

“I would like to, at the deadline, go somewhere,” Iginla said in an interview with Puck Daddy before the Avalanche played the Kings. “I would like to be in the playoffs. I would hope that there is some opportunity to go and play in the playoffs. Those are the best games, the most fun for sure, and you have a chance to win. So no, I haven’t given up on that chance to win.”

[Table 5]

Iginla's production may be better here than on a terrible Avs team, but the guy still looks out of step and a shadow of the player he used to be.

The point of my argument is that if we're looking to improve our team, there has be someone better out then a slow 39 year old winger. There are reasons to bring Iginla here...but I seriously doubt that from a strictly hockey perspective, he's the best answer.

If his name wasn't Iginla, we'd all be groaning at the proposition.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

ya ya. he chased the money. we get it.

Actually when he signed in Colorado they were coming off finishing as Central Division champions with 112 points. They looked on the upswing with their young talent.

So anyone suggesting he signed with a bottom feeder because of the money is sorely lacking context.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Actually when he signed in Colorado they were coming off finishing as Central Division champions with 112 points. They looked on the upswing with their young talent.

So anyone suggesting he signed with a bottom feeder because of the money is sorely lacking context.

That's right, and his ties with Sakic were a big factor as well. He even stated as much.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I feel like this is often brushed off as romanticizing, but it's true.

LA won two cups, and finishing 6th and 8th in the West on their way.
Chicago won a cup finishing 3rd in the Central.

San Jose made the finals finishing 3rd in the Pacific.
New Jersey made the finals finishing 5th in the East (4th in the Atlantic).
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Neither LA or Chicago were cinderella teams in my eyes. They were both quality teams either coasting or hiccuping their way through the season, but nobody ever looked them as also-rans once the playoffs started.

The reality is Cinderella teams don't win Cups. They might make noise, but they pretty much never win the whole thing. Once in a while you get good teams who go through bad stretches that make them seem less potent (not unlike like the Pens), but in the end the cream pretty much always rises to the top. The 04 Flames/06 Oilers type teams almost never, if ever, win.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Iginla's production may be better here than on a terrible Avs team, but the guy still looks out of step and a shadow of the player he used to be.

The point of my argument is that if we're looking to improve our team, there has be someone better out then a slow 39 year old winger. There are reasons to bring Iginla here...but I seriously doubt that from a strictly hockey perspective, he's the best answer.

If his name wasn't Iginla, we'd all be groaning at the proposition.

It's fine to point out he isn't the answer to our hole at top line RW, and I don't think anyone being realistic is suggesting that.

But I think he's not as slow as some of you are making him out to be, and I think he *is* and upgrade on Chiasson and maybe even Brouwer (certainly on the power play).

He doesn't need to be *the* answer, but can be an answer to a smaller problem / upgrade.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dammage79

That's right, and his ties with Sakic were a big factor as well. He even stated as much.

Tanguay as well.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Why is this so hard to grasp?

1) He's tried picking cup favourites before, it hasn't worked

2) Not all top rated teams will be looking / inclined to add him

3) Once you get in, anything can happen. He's not on a playoff team now, and we're currently in a playoff position and one of the hottest teams in the league in our last ten. Considering he's on the worst team in the league now, anyone with a good shot at the playoffs is a better option for him than where he's at.

Are you in remedial math? Go google "stanley cup odds".

You think every team has an equal shot? come on. he could chose Calgary over the blue jackets for example. no doubt. maybe we are only team to offer the right players. But a team like the Ducks or Sharks come after him and he gets to chose, you don't think he tries there before here?

[mennoknight]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Neither LA or Chicago were cinderella teams in my eyes. They were both quality teams either coasting or hiccuping their way through the season, but nobody ever looked them as also-rans once the playoffs started.

The reality is Cinderella teams don't win Cups. They might make noise, but they pretty much never win the whole thing. Once in a while you get good teams who go through bad stretches that make them seem less potent (not unlike like the Pens), but in the end the cream pretty much always rises to the top. The 04 Flames/06 Oilers type teams almost never, if ever, win.

But they make the finals and thats pretty gall darned fun to watch.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Actually when he signed in Colorado they were coming off finishing as Central Division champions with 112 points. They looked on the upswing with their young talent.

So anyone suggesting he signed with a bottom feeder because of the money is sorely lacking context.

You are hilarious. Man you love stating the obvious. Yes Colorado had a good record. Some people felt he chased money/family situation over playoff chances was the point i think that calgaryblood was making. My point is that was then. Things change.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Iginla's production may be better here than on a terrible Avs team, but the guy still looks out of step and a shadow of the player he used to be.

The point of my argument is that if we're looking to improve our team, there has be someone better out then a slow 39 year old winger. There are reasons to bring Iginla here...but I seriously doubt that from a strictly hockey perspective, he's the best answer.

If his name wasn't Iginla, we'd all be groaning at the proposition.

Have a look at this Avs team roster lines:

Gabriel Landeskog Nathan Mackinnon Matthew Nieto

Blake Comeau Matt Duchene Mikko Rantanen

Mikhail Grigorenko John Mitchell Jarome Iginla

Andreas Martinsen Carl Soderberg Joe Colborne

That's a terrible lineup and all the players I highlighted plus Rene Bourque are absolute hot garbage deadweight players. They pretty much are as bad as their record indicates with that lineup.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Are you in remedial math? Go google "stanley cup odds".

You think every team has an equal shot? come on. he could chose Calgary over the blue jackets for example. no doubt. maybe we are only team to offer the right players. But a team like the Ducks or Sharks come after him and he gets to chose, you don't think he tries there before here?

You're still not getting it.

You have no idea how many teams will come after him. You were speaking as though he has his pick of every team and that isn't anywhere close to a certainty. It's flat out unlikely given his age and the cap situation of these top teams (many who have just made a move like Chicago and Anaheim).

I'm saying that anyone who is tossing out a blanketed "He won't want to come to Calgary because he'll be looking to join a cup favourite" is off base. There aren't nearly going to be as many options among the top, favoured teams as there were when he was leaving Calgary the first time.

I think at this point with how Calgary's looking in their last ten games, it's an attractive landing spot given how tight the market is with respect to teams looking to add a player of that age / status.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I think he *is* and upgrade on Chiasson and maybe even Brouwer (certainly on the power play).

He doesn't need to be *the* answer, but can be an answer to a smaller problem / upgrade.

He might be a small upgrade on Chiasson, but I'd rather pursue a more viable upgrade than can be here for the long-term.

And what exactly do you propose we do to Brouwer if Iginla is brought in to replace him? You can't just dump a guy you just signed to a multi-year contract, for a slight temporary upgrade. Never mind that Troy Brouwer had 13 points in 20 game in the playoffs last year...he might not be totally as advertised, but at their respective positions in the league, I'd much rather take my chances with him in that role than Iginla.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

You are hilarious. Man you love stating the obvious. Yes Colorado had a good record. Some people felt he chased money/family situation over playoff chances was the point i think that calgaryblood was making. My point is that was then. Things change.

You call it obvious but you're obviously sorely lacking context.

Colorado put up 112 points before he signed. It was looking like a good situation at the time *in addition to* the money / term.