Because you claim that "Keep Right Except to Pass" is "oversimplifying" it. Any response besides "yeah that is the perfect system, it works flawlessly and is completely black and white" is proof that you are part of the problem.
Because he drives that road everyday, thus he's pro at it, thus his way to drive is the right way to drive 110% of the time.
Whatever man. Next time you hear someone complaining about Calgary drivers not understanding basic rules of the road, don't say "Yeah, I totally agree".
Be honest and say "Well I dunno... That whole Keep Right Except to Pass nonsense could use some explanation". At least own up to your lack of basic driving skills.
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Whatever man. Next time you hear someone complaining about Calgary drivers not understanding basic rules of the road, don't say "Yeah, I totally agree".
Be honest and say "Well I dunno... That whole Keep Right Except to Pass nonsense could use some explanation". At least own up to your lack of basic driving skills.
The fact that it's even a debate is surprising to me as well, sure, but it's not like anyone here has straight up said "That doesn't work" or "I don't get it" they've just raised legitimate questions and/or concerns relating to driving
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Because you claim that "Keep Right Except to Pass" is "oversimplifying" it. Any response besides "yeah that is the perfect system, it works flawlessly and is completely black and white" is proof that you are part of the problem.
The fact that it's even a debate is surprising to me as well, sure, but it's not like anyone here has straight up said "That doesn't work" or "I don't get it" they've just raised legitimate questions and/or concerns relating to driving
What legitimate concerns? It's all variations of "well I'm going 110 and I want to pass someone going 100, and I hate how people come up on my ass" or something like that. It's been repeated a bunch of times that you have every right to pass at your own pace and then move over once you're done but you should always check if there's a car coming up that will pass faster than you and let them go by first before you go out and block the flow of traffic in the left lane.
All of the other "concerns" raised in this thread have been symptoms of people not adhering to the Left Lane rules.
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So you expect people to follow the rule to move to the right, yet don't expect people to follow the rules when it comes to speed.
That about sum it up?
I am certain that you are better than that.
1) you admitted that you speed
2) I said several times that people will drive different speeds, I did not say I condone any speed or 'don't expect people to follow the rules when it comes to speed'. But I also think it is foolish to think that people won't speed - it is my experience that people speed everywhere, regardless of road conditions. Canada is probably as tame as anywhere on the planet when it comes to speeding.
3) I said (here's the important part) it isn't up to you and I to be the traffic cops
4) if everyone follows the stay to the right, and not cut people off in the left lane, and not tailgate, and be aware and considerate of others, and not try to impede or harass others because we don't like how they drive, we are all better off
5) the police will deal with bad drivers
These things seem pretty straight-forward to me.
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I think the issue of when to switch back to the right lane could use some expansion. I try to get back right away after passing, but I do notice that if you don't leave another car gap inbetween, you are making people potentially start having to pass multiple cars, especially when you have a limited amount of space for some of the passing lanes along HWY 1. I am not really sure what the best approach is when the speed differential isn't huge between yourself and the car you're passing.
That's a bit of the problem in my scenario. Im towing a stockcar on a flat deck, not driving a semi, but I'm not about to cut in front of a semi the second I'm clear of his bumper, I want a cushion between us, and anyone who knows what it takes to stop a semi would know you want a gap.
I try to be very respectful of lanes and whose faster. I stay right except to pass, but no one is gonna pull over and pay my ticket if I'm speeding to make that pass, so I'll do it at the speed limit. When I see you coming I'll lay back and wait so you can go by. I'm not trying to be a roadblock or get in your face.
Interesting discussion... I have always treated any road with a speed limit of 80 or higher as a - if there is someone behind you and nobody in front of you and you are in the left lane....you are doing it wrong. Crowchild, Deerfoot, Stoney...you name it.
Going 10 over does not give you a right to the fast lane. Someone may want to go 20 over so if someone is behind you, move over. Roads such as Deerfoot seem to have 10-15 over as the norm and someone driving 10 over in the fast lane with a belief that they are going "fast" is really only making the problem worse.
I had to drive to Sage Hill from downtown on the weekend and spent the entire time on Crowchild in the left lane going 85. Classic scenario of 8 cars built up in the left lane because of 1 vehicle. You keep telling yourself the person will clue in and move over but that would be too easy. Moving over won't do anything as those cars are rightfully minding their own business and going 80-85... the only opportunity to break the cycle is for 1 lane to move at a different pace and that lane is the left lane.
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No, just reiterating for some who still do not understand... although I didn't realize this was a new thread as one of these were floating around not too long ago.
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To the red RAM truck, license plate CHEECA (CHEEKA? I can't remember) that was riding my ass on Glenmore during rush hour heading towards Deerfoot - sorry, but I think 70 was fast enough in the left lane while traffic in the right 2 lanes trying to merge from Blackfoot and exit to Deerfoot was moving at 10. Don't give me the finger because I wanted to get past all of that gridlock and make sure someone doesn't swerve into the lane...because it's happened before.
As soon as I got past the Deerfoot exit I got out of their way and they raced past, even though they ended up going to Deerfoot Meadows - just like me - and I ended up right near them again thanks to traffic and lights and such!
Please don't be that kind of left lane person, everyone.
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To the red RAM truck, license plate CHEECA (CHEEKA? I can't remember) that was riding my ass on Glenmore during rush hour heading towards Deerfoot - sorry, but I think 70 was fast enough in the left lane while traffic in the right 2 lanes trying to merge from Blackfoot and exit to Deerfoot was moving at 10. Don't give me the finger because I wanted to get past all of that gridlock and make sure someone doesn't swerve into the lane...because it's happened before.
As soon as I got past the Deerfoot exit I got out of their way and they raced past, even though they ended up going to Deerfoot Meadows - just like me - and I ended up right near them again thanks to traffic and lights and such!
Please don't be that kind of left lane person, everyone.
Well, there's your problem
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Forgive me if this has been brought up previously, I don't feel like wading through the whole thread.
What are people's thoughts on left lane use on a road that converts from a freeway without lights that has exits and entrances solely on the right side, to a roadway with traffic lights and intersections where you can exit left or right?
For example, if I'm going on southbound (I guess technically eastbound) Crowchild from Stoney Trail, and I need to turn left when I get to 24 Ave NW. I usually stay in the middle lane down Crowchild until I get to between the Brentwood and University LRT stations. Or about there, judging on traffic volume and speed. Is that about the right time to move over for an upcoming left turn exit onto 24 Ave? Too soon? Too late?
Or if I continue down Crowchild to turn left at the bottom of the hill at either 5 Ave NW or Kensington Road. Traffic can jam up pretty good between 24 Ave and 5 Ave/Kensington due to the roadway narrowing from 3 lanes to 2. Where's an appropriate place to move over to the left lane for the exit?
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Forgive me if this has been brought up previously, I don't feel like wading through the whole thread.
What are people's thoughts on left lane use on a road that converts from a freeway without lights that has exits and entrances solely on the right side, to a roadway with traffic lights and intersections where you can exit left or right?
For example, if I'm going on southbound (I guess technically eastbound) Crowchild from Stoney Trail, and I need to turn left when I get to 24 Ave NW. I usually stay in the middle lane down Crowchild until I get to between the Brentwood and University LRT stations. Or about there, judging on traffic volume and speed. Is that about the right time to move over for an upcoming left turn exit onto 24 Ave? Too soon? Too late?
Or if I continue down Crowchild to turn left at the bottom of the hill at either 5 Ave NW or Kensington Road. Traffic can jam up pretty good between 24 Ave and 5 Ave/Kensington due to the roadway narrowing from 3 lanes to 2. Where's an appropriate place to move over to the left lane for the exit?
The fact you are even thinking about it makes you one of the good guys.
My personal opinion is that anything after the Brisbois exit is a free-for-all. Anything north should be treated like a freeway.
Between 24th ave all the way to 17th ave, crowchild should be treated like any other city street. Once you are south of 17th ave, i'd say it goes back to freeway rules. Maybe even a bit before 17th. After bow trail exit.
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I'm guilty of staying in the left lane longer than I should. On Northbound Crowchild from Glenmore, I'll get into the left lane ASAP if I'm travelling over the river, because that's the only continuous lane over the river. Once I get to the Memorial lane that merges from the right, I get over and out of the lane. But by that time I'm only in the middle lane anyway.
I often take Glenmore east from Highway 8/Sarcee to 18 St SE. I'll stay in the left lane the whole way to avoid all of the merging and exiting traffic on the right from Crowchild, 14 St, Elbow, Blackfoot, and Deerfoot. I'll move over to the right after the Deerfoot exit.
