16/17 Goalie Situation

[DJones]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You don't want to pay $5M for a starting goalie? Why? I give that to a legit #1 goalie every time, actually pretty cheap.

I would in an instant. My concern is that these guys that haven't played 40 games aren't number 1 goalies yet. Paying 5 million to one of them is risky.

I'd pay 7 million to a legit top 10 goalie but how much will that cost us in picks/prospects?

[Split98]

Not that it makes a huge difference in what's being discussed, but I think Ortio would be signing for the minimum $660,000... for the record.

($600,000 x 110%)

[Dr. Doom]

For what it's worth...

I wouldn't be surprised if we have a verbal with Fletcher out of Minnesota to take on Kuemper in the off-season... sounds like a 2nd rounder will do it.

Fletcher went on record to say while he didn't make a splash at the deadline he laid the groundwork for a # of deals in the off-season apparently. Michael Russo suggests Kuemper is one of the names in that mix as they will not have cap room for him in the summer but would like to use him in their playoff push today.

Me putting two-and-two together, I'd suggest it could have easily been discussed as part of the deal we made with them at the deadline... I mean that deal was pretty uneventful. Almost feels like an appetizer between the two teams and with everything else known of the situations.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Yes

Even if Treliving truly believed in Ramo and Ortio, he simply cannot bring both back, because if he did and they failed again, it would look incredibly bad on Treliving.

If Trelovong brings one back and brings in another new option, at least he can say that he tried.

My guess is they qualify Ortio and test the market on guys like Reimer, Ward, Raanta, Ramo.

[PlayfulGenius]

Lots of speculation that Reimer get $5M... Where's the demand?...how many teams don't have a starting G??

It seems to me he'll have to settle for less...am I missing something?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Lots of speculation that Reimer get $5M... Where's the demand?...how many teams don't have a starting G??

It seems to me he'll have to settle for less...am I missing something?

Agreed.

Was discussed in the other thread that the only teams without a high paid starting goaltender are Calgary, Carolina and Toronto. If you eliminate TO for obvious reasons that leaves the Flames and Carolina.

[Demetric]

What about something like Wideman for Lehtonen?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Demetric

What about something like Wideman for Lehtonen?

Lehtonen has an extra year on his deal, and his numbers are fairly average. Lots of wins, but the Stars score a bunch.

[Strange Brew]

Ramo may be a moot point is he is not healthy by start of season.

I like the way Ortio is playing but I don't like focusing on his stats for only part of the season. Every goalie will look much better if you take our worst stretch of games. Let's see how he finishes out the season and look at his numbers for the year.

The thing with Ortio is how do you have any confidence that he is over his ups and downs? Whether it is poor preparation for start of season, or lack of confidence from coaching staff, or whatever, you need a goalie that can be consistently counted upon. This is even more true for a back-up.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Lehtonen has an extra year on his deal, and his numbers are fairly average. Lots of wins, but the Stars score a bunch.

This is more of shifting the $$$ from 3rd pairing Defense to Goal. Would be decent 1 A/B imo.

[Toonage]

How much does Lehtonen make next year?

[DJones]

If we got rid of Wideman the extra year may be worth it. See Lehtonens cash drops to $5 million the last year. Could be movable as long as he doesn't age like Hiller has.

Edit; Had Sportrac open

This Year; $6,000,000

Next; $6,000,000

2017/2018; $5,000,000

$5,900,000 cap hit

[AC]

Found this on r/hockey, comparing all the UFA goalies:

Green means they're better than starters, yellow they're better than 1B goalies, orange better than backups.

I used the averages of this season only, Starters were goalies with 36 games or more, 1B goalies had between 36 and 30 games and Backups had to play between 30 and 11 games. Some of the averages are wild, like the backup goalies are better in Sv%L than 1B goalies, and 1B goalies are better at Sv%M than Starters.

The stats were used from http://war-on-ice.com/goalietable.html and http://www.hockey-reference.com/leag...6_goalies.html

AdSV%: Ajdusted save %
SV%L : Low danger shot Sv%
Sv%M: Medium danger shot Sv%
Sv%H: High danger shot Sv%
QS%: Quality start %
GA%-: I'm not sure how to explain but 0 means you saved all the shots you faced and 100 is the average.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

So they think Reimer, Enroth, Hutton and Montoya are the best options? Or am I misinterpreting this

[AC]

I don't think the poster gave an opinion, just a statistical analysis.

However I think Reimer, Enroth, Hutton come across the best with Raanta and Montoya in the conversation as well.

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

So they think Reimer, Enroth, Hutton and Montoya are the best options? Or am I misinterpreting this

all of the have warts, next step would be to see if those warts are down to the team/system and if that would be better/worse with the Flames and their system.

Reimer - poor sv% on low quality shots - lets in more soft goals, a concern for a team that gives up a lot of shots

Enroth - poor sv% on mid quality shots - similar concern to Reimer re: softer goals

Hutton - overall good, but faced lower quality opposition - does his performance translate when not sheltered?

Montoya - dramatic drop-off vs high quality shots, so he would fit if the defence doesn't end up giving up easy chances - kind of the opposite to Reimer/Enroth who hold on better vs those shots


Edit - Raanta - you have to look at his QoC as a factor with his lower scores (relative) in medium and high quality saves.


Reimer looks like the antithesis of Ramo/Hiller - performs well vs tough shots as opposed to breaking. That means he may be the guy to improve the team. On the other hand, if the defence played better and forwards backchecked, there would not be as many high quality chances to save. So do you bring in Reimer as he meets the need this team has (clutch saves, ability to cover gaffes) or do you go for someone better on the low quality shots and tighten up the team?

Hutton looks good until you see his QoC and that is low every year. he gets sheltered big time playing behind Rinne, and seems like the last guy you throw in expecting him to carry the load. Good backup though

[The Fonz]

I wouldn't be opposed to giving Reimer 6M per, on a 2-3 yr term. I know it's been discussed and I don't want to go down that road again, but his past injuries are a legitimate concern in my mind. I wouldn't be comfortable signing him 4+ years.

Are there any tenders on the trade block that are better than Reimer?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I wouldn't be opposed to giving Reimer 6M per, on a 2-3 yr term. I know it's been discussed and I don't want to go down that road again, but his past injuries are a legitimate concern in my mind. I wouldn't be comfortable signing him 4+ years.

Are there any tenders on the trade block that are better than Reimer?

$6 million seems mighty steep.

That would be a cap hit similar to Holtby, Crawford and Miller. $4.5 should be the max - Neimi/Halak (we'll ignore Hiller). Mason just got $4.1M last summer, Dubnyk $4.3M

[Strange Brew]

I think I would blow my brains out if Flames paid Reimer $6M/per. He is a backup goalie.

[Split98]

$4.5 for 2-3 is about where I think Reimer fits in as well.