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Stay Golden · 11-04-2015, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

No, but the confidence in goal is clearly not there, and its cascading through the entire team.

There are pivotal moments in a game where the goalie needs to make a save, and yes, he needs to bail out his team when there is a defensive mistake. This hasn't been happening at all for the Flames. Its not just letting in stinkers (which there have been many) but even just a regular unscreened shot here and there. At some point when the game is on the line, the goalie is there to keep the team alive and then the team can rally from a big save. Hasn't happened this year, too many goals have deflated the team at the wrong times.

Exactly!

polak · 11-04-2015, 10:06 AM

Slept on it and I think Hartley has to go.

He obviously has no clue how to get the defensive side of the game together and the team is in absolute shambles. Yes, we should be blaming the players but

a) Treliving committed to this D-Core of Gio, Brodie and Hamilton. Mistake? Starting to look like it but we're stuck with it. We're not stuck with Hartley.

b) They aren't making big defensive gaffs that would lead you to believe their skill is gone. They're just being caught out of position. This is something you can coach... unless you're Hartley that is.

Face it guys. Last year appears to be a fluke on all fronts outside of Gaudreau and Brodie's performance. That fluke extends to Hartley's hype. He hasn't been able to improve any part of the team this season.

mikephoen · 11-04-2015, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by troutman

These three goalies were more than adequate last year. They didn't suddenly forget how to play.

Most of the problem has to do with how the team is paying in front of them.

So it isn't the three goalies that have forgotten how to play, it's the 18+ skaters?

polak · 11-04-2015, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mikephoen

So it isn't the three goalies that have forgotten how to play, it's the 18+ skaters?

the one coach.

undercoverbrother · 11-04-2015, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by polak

Slept on it and I think Hartley has to go.

He obviously has no clue how to get the defensive side of the game together and the team is in absolute shambles. Yes, we should be blaming the players but

a) Treliving committed to this D-Core of Gio, Brodie and Hamilton. Mistake? Starting to look like it but we're stuck with it. We're not stuck with Hartley.

b) They aren't making big defensive gaffs that would lead you to believe their skill is gone. They're just being caught out of position. This is something you can coach... unless you're Hartley that is.

Face it guys. Last year appears to be a fluke on all fronts outside of Gaudreau and Brodie's performance. That fluke extends to Hartley's hype. He hasn't been able to improve any part of the team this season.

I slept on it as well, and what I can figure out is how Hartley suddenly forgot how to coach.

edslunch · 11-04-2015, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GullFoss

Judging by the way this team has played defense, it seems like the have the confidence that their goalies will stop everything.

Wherever did they get that idea????

Flash Walken · 11-04-2015, 10:14 AM

Time to call around the league to see what the interest is for Giordano.

Any teams looking to compete this year with a big defensively salary coming off the books next year?

Does Winnipeg have any interest in gio if they may lose Ladd and Byfuglien?

White Out 403 · 11-04-2015, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Time to call around the league to see what the interest is for Giordano.

Any teams looking to compete this year with a big defensively salary coming off the books next year?

Does Winnipeg have any interest in gio if they may lose Ladd and Byfuglien?

If Chevy wasn't willing to give frolik 5 years I don't see him taking on gios contract. As much as I'd love to have him

Flash Walken · 11-04-2015, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I slept on it as well, and what I can figure out is how Hartley suddenly forgot how to coach.

Well the obvious solution is that last year may be an outlier for his career like it seemed to be for the rest of the roster.

Maybe Hartley is as bad as I thought he was.

Chonger · 11-04-2015, 10:18 AM

I dont understand how Raymond is still playing. Cant win a puck battle or even hold on to the puck. Cant score.

scotty2hotty · 11-04-2015, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by polak

a) Treliving committed to this D-Core of Gio, Brodie and Hamilton. Mistake? Starting to look like it but we're stuck with it. We're not stuck with Hartley.

I think you're completely out to lunch on this part.

northcrunk · 11-04-2015, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chonger

I dont understand how Raymond is still playing. Cant win a puck battle or even hold on to the puck. Cant score.

No kidding. Backlund had another stinker of a game too and was horrible in his own zone. He should either be eating popcorn or traded/sent to the minors.

Machiavelli · 11-04-2015, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Time to call around the league to see what the interest is for Giordano.

Any teams looking to compete this year with a big defensively salary coming off the books next year?

Does Winnipeg have any interest in gio if they may lose Ladd and Byfuglien?

I don't know about salary coming off the books, but the Avs could be a good fit.

They seem to love ex-Flames.

Flash Walken · 11-04-2015, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli

I don't know about salary coming off the books, but the Avs could be a good fit.

They seem to love ex-Flames.

Good call, apparently they are looking at Nikitan.

Inferno · 11-04-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

But when all three Flames goaltenders are sub 900 the issue is defensive effort.

I wouldn't say so. If they had a high GAA but a decent save percentage then I would say it's the defense. But them all having the save percentage they have shows they just aren't getting the job done.

Like other's have stated, they don't need to constantly bail out the team but they need to make big saves. Even though he let in a couple of bad goals on Saturday Talbot made some big saves that kept the Oilers in. It seems every good scoring chance that the other team gets that hits the net goes in on all three.

CaptainCrunch · 11-04-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

I think you're completely out to lunch on this part.

Just that part?

Flash Walken · 11-04-2015, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Inferno

I wouldn't say so. If they had a high GAA but a decent save percentage then I would say it's the defense. But them all having the save percentage they have shows they just aren't getting the job done.

Like other's have stated, they don't need to constantly bail out the team but they need to make big saves. Even though he let in a couple of bad goals on Saturday Talbot made some big saves that kept the Oilers in. It seems every good scoring chance that the other team gets that hits the net goes in on all three.

Ramo and hiller both have had game saving, highlight reel saves this year. Ramo on sedin and hiller on mcjesus come to mind off the top of my head.

How on earth can 3 different goalies with 3 different styles at 3 different ages have basically the same stat line? It boggles the mind.

polak · 11-04-2015, 10:31 AM

I'd love to hear why I'm out to lunch?

mdubz · 11-04-2015, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by polak

I'd love to hear why I'm out to lunch?

Probably when you said we're "stuck with" a D core consisting of Gio, Brodie and Hamilton.

JJ1532 · 11-04-2015, 10:35 AM

Wow, good to see people aren't rushing into crazy decisions.

Why are we suddenly in "win now" mode? After 1 shock good season, which wasn't even expected of us. Why wasn't it expected of us? Because we had a terrible roster, which we all thought was the case 14 months ago. To me, that hasn't changed much now. The goalie's(whether Ortio comes good or not) need sorting, Russell is becoming increasingly questionable, Wideman has 18 months left then he is gone. Hudler, does he get re-signed?

Jones, Raymond, Engelland, Bollig, Ramo, Hiller, Stajan. There is a lot of overpaid pap on this team that needs shedding before we can even hope to compete.

But don't forget they are a developing group. We have maybe 4 core forward pieces (Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau, Frolik) and 3 defensive pieces(Gio, Brodie and Hamilton) that will be with us beyond the 2016-17 season. The rest, who knows? Surely the fact that we only have 7 core players shows we need to show some patience. We need to know what we have with the likes of Jooris, Colborne, Backlund, Bouma, Ferland, Russell, Ortio etc and where they might slot into the line up or whether they follow the deadwood out the door in the next 18 months.

Then we have some decent prospects in the likes of Poirer, Klimchuk, Andersson, Kylington, McDonald, Gillies. Trust the process I say. I am not worried about us long term.

But making silly short decisions over the next few weeks will damage us way more than if we let things play out and see where we are come the deadline. We aren't trading from a position of strength if we try to improve things now, we'll get ripped off if we try to trade for a goalie or try to get one of Russell/Wideman off the books. Don't make any long term decisions now, because I have a feeling we'll be regretting it in a few months time.