The reality of it is, there is always going to be lots on inappropriate behaviour in large mobs when alcohol is a factor. Hopefully with how much social media has advanced from 2004 women will think twice before they flash the mob. It will not take long before those pictures are being passed around the office or classrooms.
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Let's not pretend the red mile is an innocent pg13 party where people are simply there to have a "good time".
Would it be terrible if it was?
What a wonderful experience for young fans to stroll the Red Mile with their parents, soaking in a celebration of a Flames victory. That would be the memory of a lifetime.
Is it all about a drunken party or should it be a celebration for all fans to enjoy?
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But it is reality boys and girls. Let's not pretend it isn't the case and that the few villains should stop.
This is a problem with society and in one way or another, Willingly or not, we have all or will all support this kind of behavior. And in this case that is by simply being there.
Bottom line.
I'd suggest you get your head out of the sand but I think its embedded elsewhere.
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I happen to think that as a knee-jerk reaction, branding people who aren't opposed to cat calling or "take off your top" chants as rapists or misogynists is obviously wrong and incredibly counter-productive.
EDIT: Bah, that came out more dickish than I meant it, but that's not what I was doing.
OT but what would you do if it was a black guy talking like that? It probably seems smug but an honest question.
Same thing if I heard a woman shouting "all men are #######s" -- ignore them. You're playing semantic games to avoid the reality that you might be a part of the problem.
If we lived in a world where white people existed in this country largely due to slavery, and where white people for hundreds of years were segregated and denied equal opportunity; or we lived in a world statistically and defacto run by women, where until recently men couldn't vote and were largely considered property, I would probably feel different.
Edit: and women were statistically bigger and more aggressive than men.
With all due respect: pull your head out of your ### before you do too much damage.
You know for a guy who tends to shriek about people putting words in his mouth, you're kind of doing the same thing here. I didn't call the dude a rapist or a misogynist.
I didn't say you were. I was agreeing with his original statement. Doing so does not imply about me the things you suggested his statement implied about him.
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What a wonderful experience for young fans to stroll the Red Mile with their parents, soaking in a celebration of a Flames victory. That would be the memory of a lifetime.
Is it all about a drunken party or should it be a celebration for all fans to enjoy?
I'm going to say that you're not going to convince the people watching the game in the bar district to not drink and party.
I'm going to say that you're not going to convince the people watching the game in the bar district to not drink and party.
@polak, here's a word of advice: quit while you're ahead (you're not, but you can choose to believe you are).
You appear to be somewhat misguided, apparently living in the belief that it is your right to harass women, hit them up for sex at your will and that they are your plaything. Sound about right? Because that's what your posts seem to add up to.
I didn't say you were. I was agreeing with his original statement. Doing so does not imply about me the things you suggested his statement implied about him.
No, I was questioning what it was he wasn't opposed to, since what people in the thread weren't opposed to seemed to be groping and harassment. I wasn't implying anything about the poster (there's enough in his posting history to paint a pretty clear picture).
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Yes. Does anyone disagree with this?
Jesus. Like I said, stupid article making big deal out something everyone is aware of.
Logically if there are people out there harassing* these women then these people do, in fact, disagree. How does this fact escape you? If everyone thought this behaviour was wrong, nobody would be doing it, would they?
Discussing issues like this is how social norms are defined and ultimately enforced: by collective disapproval. The only ones who should have strong negative reactions to this issue being raised are those who don't think there is anything wrong with this kind of harassment, either because they (mistakenly) don't think it is harassment, or don't care because they are self-centred misogynist d-bags. Is that you?
*CHL we're not in court, there are shades of meaning to the word "harassment" and the term "sexual harassment". The English language is not subject to your pettifoggery and nitpickery. Nobody is going to be citing post #743 in this thread in court.
** People are also way too uptight about nudity, but in the context of our society being that prudish, the right of someone not to feel intimidated by large groups of drunk young men is much more important than some doomed crusade to make our morals more European.
*** Expecting people to act civil when they are drunk is not a ridiculous expectation, either - I was drunk as **** Tuesday night and I managed to walk down the Red Mile without accosting or fighting anyone. It's a cop-out.
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Protip: If you wanna see a girls boobs, don't chant aimlessly like a moron. Strike up a conversation and find a way to get her talking about them herself. From there on in, it's a layup and you're probably getting laid too.
Lmao polak. Pick your battles guy. IgTang came in and upped the crazy, taking the heat off you. Yet, you return, as oblivious as ever.
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