[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

He nearly smacked one in last night, sometimes that's all it takes to get some confidence and your touch back.

So, you don't want an Alberta Boy, back on a Hometown discount, may I ask where your from?

"Home discount" aside, pretty sure Glencross is from Sask.

[CSharp]

If the Flames can get a great deal at trading deadline, do it. Otherwise, roll the dice and see if he can be signed and start the trade negotiations every trading deadline.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

In the 90s? We're talking about now. He is the highest scoring Flame over the 4 years up to, and including, this year.

It was an analogy. There also isn't a Bill taking naps in the break-room

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

He nearly smacked one in last night, sometimes that's all it takes to get some confidence and your touch back.

So, you don't want an Alberta Boy, back on a Hometown discount, may I ask where your from?

The common thought around here is that Glencross will not be signing another hometown discount.

[kyuss275]

Probably already mentioned somewhere in this thread but Matt Beleskey of the ducks is out for 2-4 weeks. Also Sami Vatanen is out for 4-6 weeks. Not sure if that makes them needing Glencross any more of a reality.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Split98

The fact is, we have two options with Glencross whether you're a fan of him or not: trade him, or pay him like a top-6 winger.

Not really. The choices are:

1. Trade him before the deadline to acquire assets for the future and hope the Flames don't suffer too greatly from his absence for the remainder of this season.
   
   
2. Keep him for the remainder of the season, receiving nothing additional other than his presence in the lineup for the final six weeks of the season and the playoffs.

If the intent is to sign him to a new contract for next season and beyond, option 1 is a risky decision because he may decide he doesn't want to return. We have seen players re-sign with teams that traded them away before, and he has often expressed a desire to remain in Calgary, so it may not be as risky, but it's still unlikely that he'll be traded if the plan is to re-sign him.

On the other hand, keeping him for the playoff drive doesn't necessarily indicate a desire to keep him beyond this season. It just might be what Treliving considers to be the best option for now.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Probably already mentioned somewhere in this thread but Matt Beleskey of the ducks is out for 2-4 weeks. Also Sami Vatanen is out for 4-6 weeks. Not sure if that makes them needing Glencross any more of a reality.

They have their version of GlenX in Beleskey back in time for playoffs. When they have young studs like Etem and dsp in the wings don't know why they would want GlenX.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by getbak

Not really. The choices are:

1. Trade him before the deadline to acquire assets for the future and hope the Flames don't suffer too greatly from his absence for the remainder of this season.
   
   
2. Keep him for the remainder of the season, receiving nothing additional other than his presence in the lineup for the final six weeks of the season and the playoffs.

If the intent is to sign him to a new contract for next season and beyond, option 1 is a risky decision because he may decide he doesn't want to return. We have seen players re-sign with teams that traded them away before, and he has often expressed a desire to remain in Calgary, so it may not be as risky, but it's still unlikely that he'll be traded if the plan is to re-sign him.

On the other hand, keeping him for the playoff drive doesn't necessarily indicate a desire to keep him beyond this season. It just might be what Treliving considers to be the best option for now.

The latter is definitely an option. Just hoping that the Treliving camp doesn't consider it an option worth exploring.

I really don't think we will suffer too greatly without him though. He was injured for a stretch, and I didn't notice one bit. He also hasn't contributed since the end of December and we've done well.

He could move his way up the list, for sure, but as it stands now he's fighting for 2nd-3rd line duties on his off wing. Not something I'm going to miss too much if there's another team who wants him.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman's 30 thoughts also says Tampa is possibly interested
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/3...-2015-rumours/

Second line version of Callahan.

[JiriHrdina]

Connolly for Glencross. Win-win.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Over the term of this contract, Glencross has scored more goals than any other Flame - by a wide margin.

Show me another player in the NHL who has the most goals on his team over a 4 year span, and makes anything CLOSE to Glencross' salary.

I suspect that only applies to current Flames. The Flames best goal scorers haven't been on the team that long, so it's not really a great stat.

Glencross' salary is great, but on this team, it's not really that big a deal. It makes him great trade bait though. And after this year it's totally a non issue.

I only want Glencross kept if he's going to be re-signed. Otherwise, he's not the key to making or doing well in the playoffs, and the Flames will have squandered their best UFA trading asset.

[dino7c]

Glencross has a full NMC, why would he agree to leave this team on the cusp of all their hard work paying off and securing a playoffs spot after years of not making it

[Split98]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Glencross has a full NMC, why would he agree to leave this team on the cusp of all their hard work paying off and securing a playoffs spot after years of not making it

Well, arguably, he's had little part of the current success. If some of us can see it surely he feels it.

Plus, if there's no contract or future here why not get started at a place that is willing to trade assets to get you.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Glencross has a full NMC, why would he agree to leave this team on the cusp of all their hard work paying off and securing a playoffs spot after years of not making it

Most guys waive if their team makes it clear they want him to. The main use of NMCs is to control the destination. I can only think of on guy who refused to consider any trade based on a NMC. I imagine there are more, but the ones who waive are far more common.

It also gives a team who will want to sign him a head start and he knows that. A re-signing may be part of the package. Sorta like with Jaybo.

[dino7c]

force a guy that loves the city and the team to move on for a 2nd or 3rd round pick when the Flames are in a playoffs spot...I just don't see it

you guys can talk about it for another 2 weeks but I doubt it happens. I also think he makes a bigger impact than most on here do. One of the only wingers we have that has a little sand paper in his game.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

force a guy that loves the city and the team to move on for a 2nd or 3rd round pick when the Flames are in a playoffs spot...I just don't see it

you guys can talk about it for another 2 weeks but I doubt it happens. I also think he makes a bigger impact than most on here do. One of the only wingers we have that has a little sand paper in his game.

I think Bouma, Byron, Jones and Bollig have sand. Colborne when he's on the wing too. And of course Wolf.

Glencross can stay if he wants. I'm sure the Flames have made him an offer.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suspect that only applies to current Flames. The Flames best goal scorers haven't been on the team that long, so it's not really a great stat.

Glencross' salary is great, but on this team, it's not really that big a deal. It makes him great trade bait though. And after this year it's totally a non issue.

I only want Glencross kept if he's going to be re-signed. Otherwise, he's not the key to making or doing well in the playoffs, and the Flames will have squandered their best UFA trading asset.

It applies to all Flames over that period. I don't think it should be dismissed so quickly. Part of leading a team over a 4 year period is longevity and consistency. He is roundly criticized for being injury-prone, so the flipside (leading the team over an extended period) should also be tabled.

Finally, it isn't just a longevity thing. From 2010/11 through 2012/13, he was: 3rd, 2nd and 1st on the team for goals. Last year, he was 2nd in GPG but only played 38 games.

I am fairly indifferent to trading him (as long as the return is worthwhile) but some of the hate - and complete disregard for facts - around here is amazing. (not pointing a finger at you)

[GioforPM]

Fair enough. I thought he might have trailed Iginla or Cammalleri. Anyway, just like I said about Ramo, making the POs is of little concern to me, and even then I don't think Glencross is a key to success either way. He's probably the Flame's best bet at a decent return, and I just don't see him re-signing next year. I hate to see him go for nothing. Especially when he's been reduced to a third/fourth liner now.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am fairly indifferent to trading him (as long as the return is worthwhile) but some of the hate - and complete disregard for facts - around here is amazing. (not pointing a finger at you)

I agree 100%.

Way too many fantasy GM's on this board, concerned to death over asset management. We get it, stay young, jettison the old, make room for the youth.

Problem is most picks do not pan out to being average NHL'ers. There are 3 first overall'ers sitting up North and none are great, nor the best of their draft class, the latest looks like he will have to battle to have another 5 years in the league.

So to throw actual team top scorers for 4th rounders (Better getting something than getting nothing!) in the hopes of finding the next TJ Brodie..... while your team actually needs goals as you try to get into the dance...insane.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Fair enough. I thought he might have trailed Iginla or Cammalleri. Anyway, just like I said about Ramo, making the POs is of little concern to me, and even then I don't think Glencross is a key to success either way. He's probably the Flame's best bet at a decent return, and I just don't see him re-signing next year. I hate to see him go for nothing. Especially when he's been reduced to a third/fourth liner now.

really? I think it would be HUGE for the franchise, for now and in the future