Bill Cosby Rape Allegations

[Itse]

It's very likely that the actual number of women Cosby has raped is in the three digits, and that the vast majority of women just don't want to talk about it, or aren't sure what happened due to the drugs.

The guy is 78. If we accept that he's a serial rapist, and assume just two victims per year between the age of 20 and 70, that's 100 women right there. It wouldn't even be a high rate for a serial rapist that has had plenty of opportunities and apparently very little fear of repercussions.

Most rapes are committed by a very small number of men. Rapists have on average raped half a dozen women before the end of college and as far as we know are likely to keep doing it. We know because those guys actually tell they're rapists when you ask them in a survey. Cosby being pretty open about his "hobby" fits the profile well.

[afc wimbledon]

The thing that boggles my mind is why he'd bother, and I get rape isn't a wholly sexual act, but your a rich successful Hollywood star who can make and break an actress, there would be a line up of women who would be happy to drop a 'lude and let Cosby have at it even now.

[JiriHrdina]

Because it has little to do with sex itself

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Because it has little to do with sex itself

Usually I would agree, but in the case of qualudes I'm not so sure, you get an unconscious victim, there's no real visceral domination that the use of force provides that most rapist I've worked with get off on.

[afc wimbledon]

Most guys that drug women I've worked with did it because they don't give a crap about the girl and that's the easiest way to bed then, they are reprehensible creeps but their motivation was sexual, it's a different act than restraining by force, but Cosby could easily find a willing stream of partners who would be equally unwilling to have sex with him except that he's a star, essentially he could use his status as the same mechanism he used the drugs.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Most guys that drug women I've worked with did it because they don't give a crap about the girl and that's the easiest way to bed then, they are reprehensible creeps but their motivation was sexual, it's a different act than restraining by force, but Cosby could easily find a willing stream of partners who would be equally unwilling to have sex with him except that he's a star, essentially he could use his status as the same mechanism he used the drugs.

Which is why mental illness is a likely candidate in this case.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Which is why mental illness is a likely candidate in this case.

I don't follow.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Usually I would agree, but in the case of qualudes I'm not so sure, you get an unconscious victim, there's no real visceral domination that the use of force provides that most rapist I've worked with get off on.

A drugged victim is very literally at your mercy.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Itse

Rapists have on average raped half a dozen women before the end of college

Where are you getting this data?

[Itse]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Where are you getting this data?

This would be the best known study I think.

Here's a Slate article pretty much referring to that study.

I've read other similar results over the years, but I don't actively keep track of this stuff.

EDIT: Obviously the exact numbers are impossible to verify, but I think the basic point is strong.

Very small number of men seem to be responsible of most rapes, and in fact a huge portion of violence in general, from child abuse to battery. Which I think is an important point. Take away the tradition of silence surrounding rape, and lock these criminals up when you catch them, and there would be much less rape in general.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yeah I'm aware of that one, I have some serious concerns about the reliability of some of those survey based data, but more significantly about the conclusions other people have drawn from them. But I don't want to get into that discussion, in part because it's a derail and in part because it's excruciating.

[Itse]

BTW;

I think the ultimate example that rape has nothing to do with a guy having trouble getting laid, the pornstar James Deen (I'm sure many know the guy) is very probably a rapist too.

The guy literally gets paid to have sex with hot women, and is, or at least was, super popular with his "good looking guy from next door" image.

(The Deen case also conveniently bypasses several other standard arguments about women who accuse men of rape, such as "worried about their reputation".)

[2Stonedbirds]

There is a huge difference between accused, charged, convicted, and...

"very probably."

[Itse]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

There is a huge difference between accused, charged, convicted, and...

"very probably."

Thank you Captain Obvious.

I'm quite satisfied with the evidence that James Deen is very probably a rapist.
Others are free to disagree.

EDIT:
For the record, the biggest reason I believe the accusations is Deens response.

He's defending himself with something along the lines of "it was rough sex that maybe just got a little out of hand". Now, that's something that might fly for the vanilla crowd, but as someone who knows something about the BDSM culture, I think that's just not credible at all.

First of all, when you do BDSM regularly, you get pretty damned good at recognizing consent and people's limits, so "accidents" like that really shouldn't happen, at least not several times.

More importantly the women participating in that kind of rough sex are not the type that are going to come around and call you a rapist even if something did go wrong.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Itse

Thank you Captain Obvious.

Then exercise said difference, Captain Oblivious.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Itse

BTW;

I think the ultimate example that rape has nothing to do with a guy having trouble getting laid, the pornstar James Deen (I'm sure many know the guy) is very probably a rapist too.

The guy literally gets paid to have sex with hot women, and is, or at least was, super popular with his "good looking guy from next door" image.

(The Deen case also conveniently bypasses several other standard arguments about women who accuse men of rape, such as "worried about their reputation".)

That's to some degree my point, Dean obviously gets off on the violence of the act, which is pretty typical, that is a different motivation than an unconscious victim.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

That's to some degree my point, Dean obviously gets off on the violence of the act, which is pretty typical, that is a different motivation than an unconscious victim.

I'm sure there's many kinds of rapists.

[justafan]

Originally Posted by Itse

I'm sure there's many kinds of rapists.

And they are all sickos. I would think power over someone whether you are assaulting them awake or you have knocked them out is pretty violent. Gets worse with all the murders too.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Itse

I'm sure there's many kinds of rapists.

Yes, I've worked with a ton of them over the years.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Yes, I've worked with a ton of them over the years.

Okay have to ask now, what do you do?