Gaudreau Progress / Development

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GoodUncle

I'll give your statement credit and you could be correct green lantern but I think he is more talented for this team then perhaps a few others. But again JMO. .

I think Gaudreau could be the biggest sports star this city has ever seen. But that was never going to happen in his first five games.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Jooris is a different type of player who's played a pro season so he gets different linemates/assignments.

That's BS. He played 73 games in the AHL and scored at total of 11 goals and had 16 assists. If he hadn't had such a terrific pre-season he'd probably be still down in Addy.

Well, Gaudreau had a terrific pre-season too.... better in fact than Jooris.

Gaudreau deserves to play with the likes of Monahan and Hudler just as much as Jooris... perhaps even more.

Don't get me wrong. I like Jooris. I in fact I was really disappointed when the Flames sent him down to the AHL this season. He deserved to be here... as in always earned, never given.

But Gaudreau deserves to be here too and he deserves better line mates than what he's been stuck with.....

I just don't understand why Hartley is being so stubborn about this? What could it possibly hurt to try Gaudreau on the Monahan line for a couple of games?

If it doesn't work out.. what have we lost? Its not like Monahan is burning up the league scoring race.

Nothing to lose... everything to gain, as far as I can see

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Sorry I hate using green text "you don't get on the forums often"?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Rerun

That's BS. He played 73 games in the AHL and scored at total of 11 goals and had 16 assists. If he hadn't had such a terrific pre-season he'd probably be still down in Addy.

Well, Gaudreau had a terrific pre-season too.... better in fact than Jooris.

Gaudreau deserves to play with the likes of Monahan and Hudler just as much as Jooris... perhaps even more.

Don't get me wrong. I like Jooris. I in fact I was really disappointed when the Flames sent him down to the AHL this season. He deserved to be here... as in always earned, never given.

But Gaudreau deserves to be here too and he deserves better line mates than what he's been stuck with.....

I just don't understand why Hartley is being so stubborn about this? What could it possibly hurt to try Gaudreau on the Monahan line for a couple of games?

If it doesn't work out.. what have we lost? Its not like Monahan is burning up the league scoring race.

Nothing to lose... everything to gain, as far as I can see

Because the plan is to have Monahan established as the undisputed #2C at minimum by the end of the year. And Gaudreau isn't good enough to go against the opposition Monahan is being given. How do I know this? Because Monahan is having all kinds of trouble with his new role.

They'll get to play together eventually. But there are more important things.

[jg13]

Looks like Johnny took a lot in from watching the game yesterday, also he scores a sick shootout goal at the 1 minute mark of the video

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Sorry I hate using green text "you don't get on the forums often"?

No I understood you. And I know that the vast majority of people on this site want Sven Baertschi in our lineup, not someone else's.

But I'll give you one thing, I'm like, never here.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Because the plan is to have Monahan established as the undisputed #2C at minimum by the end of the year. And Gaudreau isn't good enough to go against the opposition Monahan is being given. How do I know this? Because Monahan is having all kinds of trouble with his new role.

They'll get to play together eventually. But there are more important things.

How do you know that Gaudreau won't help Monahan in his new role? You just assume that by putting Gaudreau on the line things will get worse.

Give him a two game tryout for Christ's sake. Its only 2 games out of 82. The world won't end if its a bust.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You can't have it both ways, sir. The moves in the summer allowed a prospect or two to make the team out of camp. They also have the roster flexibility for two or three more prospects to make the team by the end of the year.

Not sure what else you'd like. The actual players acquired are irrelevant. Veteran netminder, top 9 forward and bottom pairing physical D with leadership. That's what the team needed, and that's what they got.

Going into camp one roster spot was open. Next year what is available for roster spots? Who comes off the books? Setoguchi and Diaz?

Why are these guys here in the first place? Cause we don't want rookies sitting in the press box!

Next year? To my knowledge expiring contracts are as follows Glencross, Bollig, McGratton, Setoguchi, Diaz, and Ramo. We traded for Bollig, not resigning him makes management look like idiots so he will re sign. McGrattan? Do we let him walk? Number one tough guy in the league? Locker room guy, character guy, protector of the youth. Is he a Burke guy? Think he re signs again. Glencross? We can not trade him. He does not want to leave alberta. Think we sign him.

This leaves Setoguchi, Diaz, and Ramo. I don't want to talk about goaltending. Two guys playing lights out, a rookie in the AHL that deserves to be in the NHL or at least a good shot at it. Goalies are a conversation for another day.

So that leaves Diaz and Setoguchi. Brought in cause we don't want rookies in the press box. So if that is the case, no rookies will be in the press box next year either. In other words no spots are open on this team.

Trades can happen. Have to happen. Our prospects wont see the NHL for at least two years the way the team sits now. Sure injuries happen and call ups. We have no room for rookies at the moment or for the next two years.

Tell me I am wrong, man I would love to be wrong.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Tell me I am wrong, man I would love to be wrong.

Unfortunately I'm afraid you're right.... except about Setoguchi and Glencross. I think (I hope) the Flames will trade them for prospects and/or draft pic(s) at the trade deadline.

They HAVE to make more room for some very deserving players that are stuck in Addy.

[Enoch Root]

Hartley isn't out to get Gaudreau, nor does he want him to fail. Like many have posted, Hartley's job is to win hockey games and he will play whatever players he thinks will help him win.

And I have absolutely no problem with him protecting Gaudreau and taking it slowly and making Gaudreau earn his ice-time. That is the right way to do it.

Also, Colborne and Raymond are good hockey players, no question about it.

However, there is such a thing as chemistry and it is pretty clear that they don't click as a line.

I don't have any tinfoil on my head, but I would like to see Gaudreau moved to Monahan's line for a while to see how it goes. They have had chemistry in the past and what is the risk/cost of giving it a try?

No risk, big potential reward.

You have to try players with different line-mates to see what works - this is true with ALL players.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Going into camp one roster spot was open. Next year what is available for roster spots? Who comes off the books? Setoguchi and Diaz?

Why are these guys here in the first place? Cause we don't want rookies sitting in the press box!

Next year? To my knowledge expiring contracts are as follows Glencross, Bollig, McGratton, Setoguchi, Diaz, and Ramo. We traded for Bollig, not resigning him makes management look like idiots so he will re sign. McGrattan? Do we let him walk? Number one tough guy in the league? Locker room guy, character guy, protector of the youth. Is he a Burke guy? Think he re signs again. Glencross? We can not trade him. He does not want to leave alberta. Think we sign him.

This leaves Setoguchi, Diaz, and Ramo. I don't want to talk about goaltending. Two guys playing lights out, a rookie in the AHL that deserves to be in the NHL or at least a good shot at it. Goalies are a conversation for another day.

So that leaves Diaz and Setoguchi. Brought in cause we don't want rookies in the press box. So if that is the case, no rookies will be in the press box next year either. In other words no spots are open on this team.

Trades can happen. Have to happen. Our prospects wont see the NHL for at least two years the way the team sits now. Sure injuries happen and call ups. We have no room for rookies at the moment or for the next two years.

Tell me I am wrong, man I would love to be wrong.

You're wrong.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Unfortunately I'm afraid you're right.... except about Setoguchi and Glencross. I think (I hope) the Flames will trade them for prospects and/or draft pic(s) at the trade deadline.

They HAVE to make more room for some very deserving players that are stuck in Addy.

No trade clause! Doesn't want to leave alberta makes any trade super difficult. Return on any trade would be minimal, if he approved. Most teams would know they probably cant re sign him.

Glencross in my mind is a future oiler. He wants to get paid, but that wont happen here. Yet he wants to stay in alberta. Oilers will over pay. He will be a great pick up for them on some nights. Other nights we will laugh at them. Yet Glencross will probably roast our team on a regular basis like he does to the oilers lol.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Rerun

How do you know that Gaudreau won't help Monahan in his new role? You just assume that by putting Gaudreau on the line things will get worse.

Give him a two game tryout for Christ's sake. Its only 2 games out of 82. The world won't end if its a bust.

I don't doubt it will help generate some offense. Developing Monahan's defensive game against other top 6s is more important at this stage. There's absolutely no need to rush anything. Gaudreau is not ready for those defensive assignments. Hartley sheltered Monahan for 75 games last year. No reason to expect any different with Gaudreau. It makes even more sense when you consider the size limitations facing 13.

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Going into camp one roster spot was open. Next year what is available for roster spots? Who comes off the books? Setoguchi and Diaz?

Why are these guys here in the first place? Cause we don't want rookies sitting in the press box!

Next year? To my knowledge expiring contracts are as follows Glencross, Bollig, McGratton, Setoguchi, Diaz, and Ramo. We traded for Bollig, not resigning him makes management look like idiots so he will re sign. McGrattan? Do we let him walk? Number one tough guy in the league? Locker room guy, character guy, protector of the youth. Is he a Burke guy? Think he re signs again. Glencross? We can not trade him. He does not want to leave alberta. Think we sign him.

This leaves Setoguchi, Diaz, and Ramo. I don't want to talk about goaltending. Two guys playing lights out, a rookie in the AHL that deserves to be in the NHL or at least a good shot at it. Goalies are a conversation for another day.

So that leaves Diaz and Setoguchi. Brought in cause we don't want rookies in the press box. So if that is the case, no rookies will be in the press box next year either. In other words no spots are open on this team.

Trades can happen. Have to happen. Our prospects wont see the NHL for at least two years the way the team sits now. Sure injuries happen and call ups. We have no room for rookies at the moment or for the next two years.

Tell me I am wrong, man I would love to be wrong.

Sure. You're wrong.

There's absolutely no guarantee we re-sign Bollig simply because Treliving traded for him. If he isn't a fit with the team, he won't be brought back. If he deserves a spot and fills a useful role on the 4th line, bring him back. He's going to cost next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Glencross isn't taking a discount, and if he won't be traded, I guess he walks. If we are forced to dip into the free agent market, I would hazard a guess we could do better for a little more than Glencross' market value than Glencross.

McGrattan's presence at $750K is not holding anyone else back from making this team. He is a case unto himself, and his retention or release signifies nothing.

Diaz is a 7th D, and Setoguchi is likely to be replaced by Sven or Granlund by Christmas.

Of course trades have to happen. You can trade guys that aren't in the last year of their contracts, last I looked. Five players on the team have some form of NTC/NMC. One of them is Gio, so he's not going anywhere. Glencross has been discussed. Wideman has one because Feaster gonna Feast. Lastly, you have Stajan and Raymond, and there's no reason to trade either of them.

All this is to say, anyone we need to move can be gone. There's also not a single player on this team making more than $5.25 million. So we're sitting on $14 million and change in cap space, have no boat anchor contracts outside of Wideman (who's still at least an above-replacement level NHL defenseman).

It's the easiest thing in the world to make room for a young player if he forces us to. Nobody has as of yet, and that means they're better served wrecking the AHL.

You're wrong. Relax, and watch what happens.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You're wrong.

Thank you so much!

Please PM me all the top secret info you are privy too. I promise to keep it a secret! Seriously, no sarcasm, loved the response.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

No trade clause! Doesn't want to leave alberta makes any trade super difficult. Return on any trade would be minimal, if he approved. Most teams would know they probably cant re sign him.

Glencross in my mind is a future oiler. He wants to get paid, but that wont happen here. Yet he wants to stay in alberta. Oilers will over pay. He will be a great pick up for them on some nights. Other nights we will laugh at them. Yet Glencross will probably roast our team on a regular basis like he does to the oilers lol.

Your posts seem high on emotion and lacking in logic. Please try to correct the ratio.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I don't doubt it will help generate some offense. Developing Monahan's defensive game against other top 6s is more important at this stage. There's absolutely no need to rush anything. Gaudreau is not ready for those defensive assignments. Hartley sheltered Monahan for 75 games last year. No reason to expect any different with Gaudreau. It makes even more sense when you consider the size limitations facing 13.



Sure. You're wrong.

There's absolutely no guarantee we re-sign Bollig simply because Treliving traded for him. If he isn't a fit with the team, he won't be brought back. If he deserves a spot and fills a useful role on the 4th line, bring him back. He's going to cost next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Glencross isn't taking a discount, and if he won't be traded, I guess he walks. If we are forced to dip into the free agent market, I would hazard a guess we could do better for a little more than Glencross' market value than Glencross.

McGrattan's presence at $750K is not holding anyone else back from making this team. He is a case unto himself, and his retention or release signifies nothing.

Diaz is a 7th D, and Setoguchi is likely to be replaced by Sven or Granlund by Christmas.

Of course trades have to happen. You can trade guys that aren't in the last year of their contracts, last I looked. Five players on the team have some form of NTC/NMC. One of them is Gio, so he's not going anywhere. Glencross has been discussed. Wideman has one because Feaster gonna Feast. Lastly, you have Stajan and Raymond, and there's no reason to trade either of them.

All this is to say, anyone we need to move can be gone. There's also not a single player on this team making more than $5.25 million. So we're sitting on $14 million and change in cap space, have no boat anchor contracts outside of Wideman (who's still at least an above-replacement level NHL defenseman).

It's the easiest thing in the world to make room for a young player if he forces us to. Nobody has as of yet, and that means they're better served wrecking the AHL.

You're wrong. Relax, and watch what happens.

Man I would love for that to all to come true! No argument here. I just don't think management thinks this way.

I say if this is the case why not do all the things you say prior to this season? Easy answer is the prospects aren't ready yet, they will be next year. I can live with that!

Can you live with management signing all the guys you think they will let go?

[OzSome]

I thought Hartley did a lot of experimental line combinations last game and it just happens that Jooris clicked on that line while Raymond and Glencross worked well together as well. I have no problem with Hartley sitting out Gaudreau in Columbus since it is a road game anyways and he's struggling a bit. I think having Gaudreau watch the game upstairs will benefit him and will see the plays more. He'll be back in the lineup tomorrow against Winnipeg and I really think we will see a different Gaudreau.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by jg13

Looks like Johnny took a lot in from watching the game yesterday, also he scores a sick shootout goal at the 1 minute mark of the video

A) Hartley is the right coach for this team. No quesiton

B) Johnny almost sent Hiller to the IR with that move.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Man I would love for that to all to come true! No argument here. I just don't think management thinks this way.

I say if this is the case why not do all the things you say prior to this season? Easy answer is the prospects aren't ready yet, they will be next year. I can live with that!

Can you live with management signing all the guys you think they will let go?

It's better that prospects earn roster spots rather than being given them.

The fourth overall pick was informed by his GM that it would take a miracle for him to make the opening night roster. The third overall pick sat next to his GM on TSN moments after he was drafted and was informed he was the 2nd line centre.

As I've said, there's two people on this roster that are a chore to move - Wideman and Glencross. Wideman because I'm not sure who wants him (though 50% retained sways a lot of people) and Glencross because he publicly stated he won't waive.

Everyone else is signed cheap and short. So when a prospect is better than someone on the main roster, they'll get to play. Tie goes to the veteran.

Of course I can live with management bringing players back - I assume if they do, there's something worth keeping. If they want to keep Diaz as a 7th D, fine. There's no reason to think they'll keep Setoguchi - if he's doing well, they'll likely trade him, if he sucks, he gets waived. Thus far, option two is far more probable.

If they decide to bring Glencross back, whatever. I wouldn't. But maybe there aren't better options available based on where we are as a team.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Glencross isn't taking a discount, and if he won't be traded, I guess he walks. .

Would love to know how you know this?

So... let me get this straight in my mind... according to you and your sources? ...there is no way that Glencross would accept a trade at the trade deadline, on this final year of his contract, even if its to a team that could possibly contend for the Cup?

No way he would be willing to spend 2 or 3 months living in a city other than Calgary, despite the fact that he may get the opportunity to compete for the Cup (of which he has no chance here).

Wow.