World Cup GDT: July 8th - Brazil vs Germany 2:00 PM

[Itse]

You have to remember that football is a game which sells out stadiums to friendlies. Some "friendlies" between Brazil and Argentina have actually turned into rather nasty affairs.

In the Beijing Olympics (another "non-event") by many casual football fans, two Brazilians got ejected from a foul-filled match.

[rich76]

Originally Posted by Itse

You have to remember that football is a game which sells out stadiums to friendlies. Some "friendlies" between Brazil and Argentina have actually turned into rather nasty affairs.

In the Beijing Olympics (another "non-event") by many casual football fans, two Brazilians got ejected from a foul-filled match.

I'm not talking necessarily about how many people watch it. I will probably watch it. It's football, live on my TV. On a Saturday night.

But I, and many other people, don't care about the result. Nothing is at stake (exception if Brazil Argentina).

Olympics matches still have something to play for, even if they are still essentially an under 21 tournament.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

They got to that point because the refs and linesman let them.

That tournament still pisses me off, so much favorable reffing for Korea.

Yes but it still doesn't take away the fact that had to run and play hard. Two overtime games and a semifinal. nothing left for the 3rd place game.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by rich76

Please show me some evidence that at least someone other than you rates it as amongst their most memorable World Cup moments ever.

You're being ridiculous. I never called it a generally accepted classical World Cup moment. Nor do I really care what people consider those moments to be.

You're the one who raised that as any kind of a standard, so feel free to find me a list of 500 great World Cup moments and point out that it's NOT there. You know, since you're the one that seems to think it's important.

I said that it was probably my favourite 3rd place match, not because of the play but because I loved the atmosphere of that game. And I also said that if you're not watching those games, you're missing out.

Feel free to continue missing out, I don't care.

I really don't see what the hell is your problem (again).

[Resolute 14]

WWE's JR Ross "calling" this game:

http://screamer.deadspin.com/here-is...irs-1601968953

[rich76]

Originally Posted by Itse

You're being ridiculous. I never called it a generally accepted classical World Cup moment. Nor do I really care what people consider those moments to be.



You're the one who raised that as any kind of a standard, so feel free to find me a list of 500 great World Cup moments and point out that it's NOT there. You know, since you're the one that seems to think it's important.



I said that it was probably my favourite 3rd place match, not because of the play but because I loved the atmosphere of that game. And I also said that if you're not watching those games, you're missing out.



Feel free to continue missing out, I don't care.



I really don't see what the hell is your problem (again).

Haha, I think we need to agree to disagree about this one - no need for the anger.

I'm not missing out on these games - I will (and have done) generally watch any football game on terrestrial TV. My point was that I don't generally remember much of the action from these 3rd place games.

It was more in response to when these riots are going to kick off. You seemed to think that because Brazil still had 1 match left, it would start after that game.

I was more of the opinion that losing like this in the semi final might be the catalyst for things kicking off slightly earlier.

As far as Brazil are concerned, this is the biggest footballing tragedy in their history. No amount of goodwill from a 3rd place playoff win will change that.

[polak]

Hahahaha it was fun reading the first few posts in this thread. Yup. Barzil pumped Germany hey?

[Itse]

Originally Posted by rich76

Haha, I think we need to agree to disagree about this one - no need for the anger.

I'm not missing out on these games - I will (and have done) generally watch any football game on terrestrial TV. My point was that I don't generally remember much of the action from these 3rd place games.

Hmph, maybe I got a little steamed there, but you came across rather badly.

Sorry.

In any case, I did do a quick google. Didn't expect to find 2002, but I thought that surely some of the third place games must be there.

South Korea - Turkey 2002 is listed as #26 most memorable World Cup moment on the first long list I found, and is actually the highest one from those games. Granted, it's mostly for the quick goal, but hey, you asked for it and there it is.

http://www.goaldentimes.org/2014/06/...moments-30-21/

[CedarMeter]

[M*A*S*H 4077]

I am stunned at the score line. Unreal! Deutschland!

[PeteLFan]

Well instead of coming together and rallying around the loss of Neymar to a cheap tackle that went unpunished the a selecao just got bombed by a German team that probably won't have a easier game ever. The loss of Silva was massive, and pretty much sealed the deal. Brazil had no one in the back to command things and clean up the box and Germany just got in easily and scored. Never seen anything like it.

Brazil will be back and better then ever, this German team had to win this game that group is as its peak and if they didn't win this world cup it was a wrap for them.

Just like in a hockey game when a team looks ready to come out and really give it to the other team, they suddenly give up a goal and it turns into a nightmare thats what happened.

Its too bad some of the Brazil players didn't take a run at the classless germans or punt that dog of a coach they have.

[rich76]

Originally Posted by Itse

Hmph, maybe I got a little steamed there, but you came across rather badly.



Sorry.



In any case, I did do a quick google. Didn't expect to find 2002, but I thought that surely some of the third place games must be there.



South Korea - Turkey 2002 is listed as #26 most memorable World Cup moment on the first long list I found, and is actually the highest one from those games. So I'm not alone in my opinion



http://www.goaldentimes.org/2014/06/...moments-30-21/

Haha, a little steamed not for the first time.

I'm English, I always come across badly on these forums.

I've genuinely never heard of a 3rd place playoff making a classic moments list. Normally it's a chance for the manager to put out a second string team and play with no worries, which is why there are often quite a few goals.

I'll check it out.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Well instead of coming together and rallying around the loss of Neymar to a cheap tackle that went unpunished the a selecao just got bombed by a German team that probably won't have a easier game ever. The loss of Silva was massive, and pretty much sealed the deal. Brazil had no one in the back to command things and clean up the box and Germany just got in easily and scored. Never seen anything like it.

Brazil will be back and better then ever, this German team had to win this game that group is as its peak and if they didn't win this world cup it was a wrap for them.

Just like in a hockey game when a team looks ready to come out and really give it to the other team, they suddenly give up a goal and it turns into a nightmare thats what happened.

Its too bad some of the Brazil players didn't take a run at the classless germans or punt that dog of a coach they have.

Neymar got hurt because the ref allowed that crap all game. How many runs did Brazil take at James Rodriguez?

[rich76]

Originally Posted by nik-

Neymar got hurt because the ref allowed that crap all game. How many runs did Brazil take at James Rodriguez?

Brazil definitely have themselves to blame to a certain degree for the physical manner in which they approached the Colombia game.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Brazil will be back and better then ever, this German team had to win this game that group is as its peak and if they didn't win this world cup it was a wrap for them.

Crazy part is German is just a factory right now. with no signs of slowing down.

4 straight WC Semi-Finals and even this team is still very young. Average age of 26.3 years old, 6th youngest team in the tournament, and the core is still young.

Hummels: 25
Ozil: 25
Schurrle: 23
Muller: 24
Kroos: 24
Gotze: 22
Boateng: 25
Neuer: 28

All of those guys have at least another tournament in them.

Only reason I feel they have to win in the finals is for confidence. If they don't do it now it will be 5 tournaments in a row (Euro and World Cup) where they got to the final 4 and couldn't get the job done.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by rich76

Haha, a little steamed not for the first time.

Granted. But I've got a diagnosed mood disorder, so at least I have an excuse (It's not really a good excuse.)

I'm English, I always come across badly on these forums.

I've genuinely never heard of a 3rd place playoff making a classic moments list. Normally it's a chance for the manager to put out a second string team and play with no worries, which is why there are often quite a few goals.

I'll check it out.

I think a large reason that the third place matchup is kind of forgotten is that it's kind of buried between the most important games of the tournament, the semi-finals and the finals. This comparison makes it seem inconsequential at the time. They don't for example get much media attention, because the media is already focused on the final.

But I think the idea that people don't care is a bit of an illusion. After the heat of the tournament is gone, the kind of people who generally remember individual games seem to remember those ones just as well as many others, and have quite a few opinions about them. At least I've had quite a few football talks about the third place games of recent years.

"Appreciation" is of course something that's impossible to measure.

It's not close to being the highest appreciated game, sure. But I really don't think it's a "nothing" game either.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Well instead of coming together and rallying around the loss of Neymar to a cheap tackle that went unpunished the a selecao just got bombed by a German team that probably won't have a easier game ever. The loss of Silva was massive, and pretty much sealed the deal. Brazil had no one in the back to command things and clean up the box and Germany just got in easily and scored. Never seen anything like it.

Brazil will be back and better then ever, this German team had to win this game that group is as its peak and if they didn't win this world cup it was a wrap for them.

Just like in a hockey game when a team looks ready to come out and really give it to the other team, they suddenly give up a goal and it turns into a nightmare thats what happened.

Its too bad some of the Brazil players didn't take a run at the classless germans or punt that dog of a coach they have.

Plain and simple they got outclassed.

Silva would have helped, so would Neymar, but it was 7-0. Even with those two players Brazil would have had nothing to answer the German midfield.

What was so classless about the Germans?

They actually handled it quite well and didn't really celebrate. If Brazil would have won 7-1 they would have been dancing all over the field after each goal.

[rich76]

Originally Posted by Itse

Granted. But I've got a diagnosed mood disorder, so at least I have an excuse (It's not really a good excuse.)



I think a large reason that the third place matchup is kind of forgotten is that it's kind of buried between the most important games of the tournament, the semi-finals and the finals. This comparison makes it seem inconsequential at the time. They don't for example get much media attention, because the media is already focused on the final.

But I think the idea that people don't care is a bit of an illusion. After the heat of the tournament is gone, the kind of people who generally remember individual games seem to remember those ones just as well as many others, and have quite a few opinions about them. At least I've had quite a few football talks about the third place games of recent years.

"Appreciation" is of course something that's impossible to measure.

It's not close to being the highest appreciated game, sure. But I really don't think it's a "nothing" game either.

I still think it's more of a nothing game than a something game, but I'm also prepared to accept that the 2002 game may have been more of a classic than I previously assumed.

We'll see what kind of teams they put out on Saturday as to how seriously the managers are taking it.

Mood disorder acknowledged, I'll give you a wide berth from now on 😛

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Well instead of coming together and rallying around the loss of Neymar to a cheap tackle that went unpunished the a selecao just got bombed by a German team that probably won't have a easier game ever. The loss of Silva was massive, and pretty much sealed the deal. Brazil had no one in the back to command things and clean up the box and Germany just got in easily and scored. Never seen anything like it.

Brazil will be back and better then ever, this German team had to win this game that group is as its peak and if they didn't win this world cup it was a wrap for them.

Just like in a hockey game when a team looks ready to come out and really give it to the other team, they suddenly give up a goal and it turns into a nightmare thats what happened.

Its too bad some of the Brazil players didn't take a run at the classless germans or punt that dog of a coach they have.

U mad bro?

[PIMking]