[Rumour] Buffalo's and Florida's 1st round picks are in play

[FlameZilla]

I like to think of Burke as Yoda to Treliving's Luke.

I don't think Burke makes the calls or decisions, but he's there 24/7 for Treliving to bounce ideas off of. They're clearly on the same page to begin with, so it's not as though it makes a huge deal anyway.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I like to think of Burke as Yoda to Treliving's Luke.

I don't think Burke makes the calls or decisions, but he's there 24/7 for Treliving to bounce ideas off of. They're clearly on the same page to begin with, so it's not as though it makes a huge deal anyway.

I think some people need to give Treliving a little credit here for not being a spineless guy that was so desperate for a GM title that he would take one even if it meant he was a puppet. Burke may have input but Treliving should be the guy making the ultimate decisions on personnel.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by formulate

TJ Brodie this year, compared to other defensemen.

Odd one, but 2nd in the league (behind Olympian Dan Hamhuis) in penalty differential ie. penalties drawn minus penalties taken, with +8. Only 20 d-men actually had a positive differential, and Dion Phaneuf was a league-worst -29.

Sorry this is off topic, but where did you get that stat? Is it just NHL? I would love to find out the penalty differential on a player like Johnny Gaudreau if it were available for NCAA. In the WC he seemed to draw a couple penalties each game.

[kn]

Originally Posted by nik-

There's no consensus that Ekblad projects to even be what Brodie is now. He's anywhere from franchise D to second pairing. It would be punching a hole in our future in the hope of address the hole we just created. It's illogical.

All that matters is what the Flames think, not the consensus from media, fans, and scouting services. If the Flames think he's the next Chris Pronger, then in their minds, they're still improving the d-core. Add to that they may feel Brodie has reached his plateau and will no longer improve. We simply don't know.

Like I said before, I agree with not trading Brodie. I'm just trying to wrap my head around why/how this could be justified.

[the_only_turek_fan]

The MOST I would give up to move from #4 to #1 is #34.

These other scenarios are a little off base to be polite.

[_Q_]

I think if the Toronto rumor is true, Florida takes that trade and runs. There's no way anyone else will offer anything nearly as good as that.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Sorry this is off topic, but where did you get that stat? Is it just NHL? I would love to find out the penalty differential on a player like Johnny Gaudreau if it were available for NCAA. In the WC he seemed to draw a couple penalties each game.

ExtraSkater.com. Doubtful that type in statistic is recorded at the NCAA level. Soon enough we'll have some NHL stats for him though

[Cflames_12.5]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I think if the Toronto rumor is true, Florida takes that trade and runs. There's no way anyone else will offer anything nearly as good as that.

Elliot Freidman said yesterday on the FAN960 that Florida is looking to flip that pick twice. Like maybe once to the Flames then go and flip the 4th pick to someone in 7-10 range. Florida is looking at a winger in that 7-10 range if I'm recalling correctly.

[ForeverFlameFan]

So does Buffalo want the same return as the Panthers do for their pick? I think the Flames should go for the 2nd overall pick instead and just pick Ekblad or Reinhart, depending on if Florida wants to pick a forward. Not sure it would be any cheaper than going for the 1st OA.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

So does Buffalo want the same return as the Panthers do for their pick? I think the Flames should go for the 2nd overall pick instead and just pick Ekblad or Reinhart, depending on if Florida wants to pick a forward. Not sure it would be any cheaper than going for the 1st OA.

#4, #34 and Baertschi for #2 and Pysyk?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by New Era

#4, #34 and Baertschi for #2 and Pysyk?

I like Pysyk, but I just don't know if Baertschi is worth trading yet.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I like Pysyk, but I just don't know if Baertschi is worth trading yet.

Definitely not right now when his value is low. When he comes around and we have a lot of left wingers knocking on the NHL doors we can command a good return for him. But you don't sell low, buy high.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Definitely not right now when his value is low. When he comes around and we have a lot of left wingers knocking on the NHL doors we can command a good return for him. But you don't sell low, buy high.

Buffalo could use a LW prospect though... You would think that offering Colorado's 2nd would move us up two spots, but Buffalo wants more correct?

[saXon]

Why is Sven always being thrown into trade proposals? It's quite annoying. He's a top prospect.

How many 2011's are playing full time in the NHL right now? I can safely say that there are tons of prospects that have taken time to groom and grow before sticking with their NHL club.

Prime examples,
Adam Larsson (D) - 4th overall - played 26 games with the Devils and had 3 points
Ryan Strome - 5th overall - split his season between the NYI and the farm with 18 points in 34 NHL games.
MarkScheifele - 7th overall - played 64 games with the Jets this year and had 34 points
Duncan Siemens - 11th overall - hasn't played a single game with the Avalanche
Jamie Oleksiak (D) - 14th overall - played 7 games with the Stars and no points
J.T. Miller - 15th overall - 30 games with the Rangers this season and only 6 points
Joel Armia - 16th overall - 0 games with Buffalo
Nathan Beaulieu - 17th overall - 17 games with the Canadians and only 2 points
Mark McNeill - 18th overall - 0 games thus far with Chicago. Not even a cup of coffee
Oscar Kelfbom (D) - 19th overall - Only 17 games with Edmonton and failed to stick with arguably the worst club until the season end.
Connor Murphy (D) - 20th overall - 30 games with Phoenix this season and only 8 points

Sven is near the top of these prospects with his point production - 11 points in 26 games this season and was a huge factor in Monahan getting is hot start.

He's still near the top of the Flames prospects. Nothing wrong with him still playing in the A at this point. Keep him there instead of wanting to offload him like a sack of potatoes.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Buffalo could use a LW prospect though... You would think that offering Colorado's 2nd would move us up two spots, but Buffalo wants more correct?

Buffalo wants more 1sts.

So we'd have to give them our 4th overall (which will probably be traded down again), Colorado's 2nd (because Berra), and probably Byron. I'd immediately make that offer if Florida doesn't pick Ekblad.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by saXon

Why is Sven always being thrown into trade proposals? It's quite annoying. He's a top prospect.

How many 2011's are playing full time in the NHL right now? I can safely say that there are tons of prospects that have taken time to groom and grow before sticking with their NHL club.

Prime examples,
Adam Larsson (D) - 4th overall - played 26 games with the Devils and had 3 points
Ryan Strome - 5th overall - split his season between the NYI and the farm with 18 points in 34 NHL games.
MarkScheifele - 7th overall - played 64 games with the Jets this year and had 34 points
Duncan Siemens - 11th overall - hasn't played a single game with the Avalanche
Jamie Oleksiak (D) - 14th overall - played 7 games with the Stars and no points
J.T. Miller - 15th overall - 30 games with the Rangers this season and only 6 points
Joel Armia - 16th overall - 0 games with Buffalo
Nathan Beaulieu - 17th overall - 17 games with the Canadians and only 2 points
Mark McNeill - 18th overall - 0 games thus far with Chicago. Not even a cup of coffee
Oscar Kelfbom (D) - 19th overall - Only 17 games with Edmonton and failed to stick with arguably the worst club until the season end.
Connor Murphy (D) - 20th overall - 30 games with Phoenix this season and only 8 points

Sven is near the top of these prospects with his point production - 11 points in 26 games this season and was a huge factor in Monahan getting is hot start.

He's still near the top of the Flames prospects. Nothing wrong with him still playing in the A at this point. Keep him there instead of wanting to offload him like a sack of potatoes.

For a lot of fans, you're either a savior or a bum.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by saXon

Why is Sven always being thrown into trade proposals? It's quite annoying.

There are three reasons. 1, you have to give to get. Some of us are realists and recognize you have to give quality to get quality. Sven is a quality prospect that will get the attention of another GM and probably get back a quality player in return. 2, you deal from a position of strength. Flames are deep at LW and, like it or not, Sven has been made redundant at the position. 3, Burke has said he wants to get bigger and grittier. Sven does not fit the ideal Burke and Treliving have for the team. This doesn't mean Sven is a bad player or not liked, it just means he is probably the best fit for bait to make a substantial deal where the team improves at a key position.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Buffalo wants more 1sts.

So we'd have to give them our 4th overall (which will probably be traded down again), Colorado's 2nd (because Berra), and probably Byron. I'd immediately make that offer if Florida doesn't pick Ekblad.

I actually think that Buffalo could get another 1st with the amount of 2nds they have.

If you add the Colorado 2nd (54th OA) that gives them the 31st, 39th, 49th, and the newly added 54th OA into their mix of 2nd rounders... Surely they could move into the first round with two of those, especially with the very first 2nd round pick.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by New Era

There are three reasons. 1, you have to give to get. Some of us are realists and recognize you have to give quality to get quality. Sven is a quality prospect that will get the attention of another GM and probably get back a quality player in return. 2, you deal from a position of strength. Flames are deep at LW and, like it or not, Sven has been made redundant at the position. 3, Burke has said he wants to get bigger and grittier. Sven does not fit the ideal Burke and Treliving have for the team. This doesn't mean Sven is a bad player or not liked, it just means he is probably the best fit for bait to make a substantial deal where the team improves at a key position.

I'm also a realist.

I know that the Flames are deep at LW, but are also rebuilding. Sven is near the top with JG as far as LW depth, so why trade away the future at that position?

If Ekblad is the goal, then I'm sure there are other means to achieve that goal. If a team is looking for immediate help, and knowing the Flames are deep on LW, then you offer someone like Hudler or ask GlenX to waive who are both bonafide NHLers and productive LW'ers. Both are quality. Therein solves your problem of Sven being redundant.

No need to trade the future for the future.

[Enoch Root]

no saXon, only people that see the glass as half empty are realists. Everyone else are pie in the sky homers.