02-11-2014, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke
Okay, thats enough of that.
I dont want one more person to pitifully attempt to tell me "What the Olympics is about" or 'supposed to be about' or even is 'purportedly about.'
What it used to be about and whats its about now are completely irrelevant, any and all history, pedigree or tradition has been washed away.
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Looks like somebody is unhappy that Olympians have to wear clothes now unlike in the Greek Olympic days where the men were butt naked. 
All I can say is the Olympics is and has always been about the best of the best. It should stay that way even if there are a few grumpy old American owner's who are too greedy to see that.
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02-11-2014, 02:42 PM
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#222
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Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames
Looks like somebody is unhappy that Olympians have to wear clothes now unlike in the Greek Olympic days where the men were butt naked.
All I can say is the Olympics is and has always been about the best of the best. It should stay that way even if there are a few grumpy old American owner's who are too greedy to see that. |
Well, if it had stayed the way it was meant to stay its safe to say that they wouldnt be being held in Russia.
So, homophobic jabs aside, whatever the spirit of the Olympics was has been crushed by consumerism and corruption a long, long time ago.
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02-11-2014, 03:00 PM
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#223
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Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames
All I can say is the Olympics is and has always been about the best of the best. It should stay that way even if there are a few grumpy old American owner's who are too greedy to see that.
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This is simply not true. The olympics USED to be about the best of the best AMATEURS in the world. Amateur status used to be a big deal. Athletes used to get their medals yanked if it was shown that they earn $100 at a charity event two years ago.
Locke's point is a good one...
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02-11-2014, 03:11 PM
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Hockey will die slowly without the best players in the olympic teams. Hockey is only the #1 sport in Canada, Finland & Czech Republic, that's nothing.
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02-11-2014, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by landshark
This is simply not true. The olympics USED to be about the best of the best AMATEURS in the world. Amateur status used to be a big deal. Athletes used to get their medals yanked if it was shown that they earn $100 at a charity event two years ago.
Locke's point is a good one...
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In that case... How dare they adjust the rules of the Olympics in order to increase popularity and make it more enjoyable for spectators! How dare they cause professionals to push the limits of the human body and be a source of inspiration to man-kind!
My 'Homophobic jab' was actually an attempt to display that what traditions were present hundreds of years ago isn't whats desired in today's society. Damn society being all progressive and such.
My previous point can be adjusted to: The Olympics are NOW about the best of the best. Whats left to say?
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02-11-2014, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by landshark
This is simply not true. The olympics USED to be about the best of the best AMATEURS in the world. Amateur status used to be a big deal. Athletes used to get their medals yanked if it was shown that they earn $100 at a charity event two years ago.
Locke's point is a good one...
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The Olympics have never been purely amateur. Nor has the definition of amateur ever been unambiguous or uncontentious (with respect to the Olympics)
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02-11-2014, 03:42 PM
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what sport uses AMATEURS these days? I mean really
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02-11-2014, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
The Olympics have never been purely amateur. Nor has the definition of amateur ever been unambiguous or uncontentious (with respect to the Olympics)
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The Soviets were "amateurs". What a sham that was.
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02-11-2014, 04:05 PM
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#229
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Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames
All I can say is the Olympics is and has always been about the best of the best. It should stay that way even if there are a few grumpy old American owner's who are too greedy to see that.
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Tell that to Jim Thorpe.
The Olympics would get by just fine without professional hockey players. The NHL would get by just fine without the Olympics. Fans would adjust to a best-against-best World Cup that's independent of the Olympics. I don't see how a state of affairs that has only been around for 16 years is fundamental to the health of the sport.
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02-11-2014, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
The Olympics would get by just fine without professional hockey players.
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What a load. What is a non-professional hockey player at this point? You think they're going to fill the Olympic team with beer league players?
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02-11-2014, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful
What a load. What is a non-professional hockey player at this point? You think they're going to fill the Olympic team with beer league players?
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I think he meant without NHL pros.
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02-11-2014, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Tell that to Jim Thorpe.
The Olympics would get by just fine without professional hockey players. The NHL would get by just fine without the Olympics. Fans would adjust to a best-against-best World Cup that's independent of the Olympics. I don't see how a state of affairs that has only been around for 16 years is fundamental to the health of the sport.
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Who said otherwise? I don't want the Olympics or Hockey to 'get by', I want it to excel. Hockey has been a fast growing sport in the past 16 years as statistics have proven (especially in the US).
If you think people are just as happy watching players that can't complete passes or score highlight reel goals instead of NHLers, than I'm sorry but you are plain wrong. I enjoy having a good debate, but being so close minded I might as well be debating with a brick wall.
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02-11-2014, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
I think he meant without NHL pros.
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So every professional but NHL players? Makes the whole exercise arbitrary and meaningless. Might as well use a lottery to award the gold.
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02-11-2014, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful
What a load. What is a non-professional hockey player at this point? You think they're going to fill the Olympic team with beer league players?
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The NCAA still takes amateur status seriously... and I agree with some that the tournament would still be interesting with amateurs, but it won't be like the last 16 years and moving the best vs the best to a differenent venue would not help in growing the game at all. Perhaps new growth is no longer needed... but it would be nice to be a california hockey fan and have other fans to talk to. Once I'm more than a mile away from the shark tank, finding hockey fans is not easy, but I could kick up a conversation with almost anyone walking down the street about baseball, basketball or football.
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02-11-2014, 05:01 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful
So every professional but NHL players? Makes the whole exercise arbitrary and meaningless. Might as well use a lottery to award the gold.
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I agree. The Olympic hockey tournament would return to the relative mediocrity that it was prior to 1998.
But the NHL is going to make its decision based on what is best for its own business, not on emotion.
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02-11-2014, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
But the NHL is going to make its decision based on what is best for its own business, not on emotion.
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What's best for it's business is NBC (or whoever has the rights) showing Olympic hockey games and constantly mentioning which NHL teams the players are on.
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02-11-2014, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful
What's best for it's business is NBC (or whoever has the rights) showing Olympic hockey games and constantly mentioning which NHL teams the players are on.
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Seriously... that's what roped me in in 1998... I couldn't even properly pronounce the names... Jagr... Hasek... Roy... but I was entranced. I HAD TO HAVE MORE!
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02-11-2014, 06:05 PM
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Who can tell us what the TV audience was for the gold medal game in 2010? (specifically in the US)
Also, what were the ratings for the Stanley Cup? (two large-market US teams)
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02-11-2014, 06:09 PM
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nm - wrong thread
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02-11-2014, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Who can tell us what the TV audience was for the gold medal game in 2010? (specifically in the US)
Also, what were the ratings for the Stanley Cup? (two large-market US teams)
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...urn=nhl-224998
Steve Lepore of Puck The Media passed along the first glimpse of the enormous ratings success in the U.S. for the gold medal game against Canada: 17.6/33 overnight rating, via Sports Business Daily, and 27.6 million viewers on average. Writes Lepore: This is up 46% from the 2002 USA/Canada showdown, and will very likely be the highest-rated hockey game since 1980. The share means that 1 in every 3 Americans with a TV were watching the game. This is, to put it professionally, out of this world.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...232902128.html
Before we get to where that game ranks all-time, the really cool news first: NBC reports that the 2013 Stanley Cup Final and the 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs overall were the most-watched “on record,” meaning all the way back to 1994.
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