[PGT] Flames 4 - Wild 3 ! OT win! Burn those 3rds!

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Kaine

I hear ya, I hated them at first, worst thing I had ever seen on a player. However I grew to almost like them, I certainly don't love them by any means but it's something different and it's really not that bad.

I don't like them and hope that this little "Jerseygate" hastens their demise.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by troutman

The "Hartley is Terrible" crowd should take a long break from CP. He might be coach of the year.

I was part of the "Hartley is Terrible" crowd. The Flames are 3rd last in the NHL, this team went through horrible stretches of hockey where they'd score a goal every other game, second worst goals for in the NHL, fifth worst goals against in the NHL, third worst home record in the NHL.... but they've won four straight so Hartley deserves to be coach of the year!!

I'll agree that Hartley has the team playing better hockey then they've played for most of the season but come on now. Some fans around here are starting to sound like oiler fans... This is still a bottom 3-5 team in the NHL, the only thing they're winning this year is maybe the draft lottery.

[Gaskal]

He won everyone on CP over by trolling the absolute heck outta Torts. Then from that point on Hartley became Super Hartley.

"Go #### yourself!"

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I was part of the "Hartley is Terrible" crowd. The Flames are 3rd last in the NHL, this team went through horrible stretches of hockey where they'd score a goal every other game, second worst goals for in the NHL, fifth worst goals against in the NHL, third worst home record in the NHL.... but they've won four straight so Hartley deserves to be coach of the year!!

I'll agree that Hartley has the team playing better hockey then they've played for most of the season but come on now. Some fans around here are starting to sound like oiler fans... This is still a bottom 3-5 team in the NHL, the only thing they're winning this year is maybe the draft lottery.

You seem like you don't really understand what's happening with the Flames whenever you talk about them. It's weird.

Do you remember what happened, recently? You know that thing, where the team decided to go into a rebuild? Does that ring a bell at all?

You know when you're bashing Hartley and listing things like 3 worst this, 4 worst that? You know what else we're bottom five in? Roster. No **** we're bottom 5 in the NHL, we have a bottom 5 roster, and it's on purpose, and not Hartley's fault.

Jesus, it's like some of you are so accustomed to bashing coaching/management etc, that you don't even follow the Flames, instead just checking the standings and going "Holy crap, I have to go on CP and express displeasure at everything!"

No offense, but educate yourself a little on what's going on with the team before spouting nonsense.

[Poe969]

I'm not saying that he hasn't done a great job with what he has, I'm saying it's idiotic to say he should even be in the running for coach of the year.

[Dion]

Hartley asked for permission not to wear the awful 3rd jersey

Perhaps helping matters? Hartley got permission to not wear their fancy third jerseys. His team, in those smocks, is a ghastly 0-8.

"Yesterday, I talked to Brian (Burke)," Hartley said of the Flames boss. "I said,‘We’re playing so well right now. Can we just keep going?’ And Brian said, ‘Let me check.’ He got back to me and said, ‘Yeah, I can help you that way.’Sometimes, little superstitions . . . ."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/po...349/story.html

[djsFlames]

The above is a perfect example of the all talk, no 'know' fans that are the most annoying in any fanbase. They watch a game here and there, wear the jerseys, look at the standings now and again, but then base every argument about coaching and players' competence on stats and standings. With very little to no insight beyond that. I get that wins and losses are what matter at the end of the day, but you have to understand the context of a team's situation in order to fairly gauge performances.

It would be next to impossible for this team to be any better than 12th place in the west / 25th overall this season, with ANY coach. So because the team is where it was projected to be, that implies that Hartley is incompetent as a coach?

I get some people are perhaps more casual fans than others, but when the team declares a full on rebuild, then you go into the next season treating it like the last, still expecting a playoff finish, then I think you need to do some reading up on your team and sport.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by troutman

The "Hartley is Terrible" crowd should take a long break from CP. He might be coach of the year.

I'm fine with Hartley continuing since the team appears to be in a positive state of mind despite the season, but not too long ago they were playing the most miserable hockey in the entire league and getting shut out in game after game. And that could easily occur again.

I have to agree with the people who say that coaching a bottom-5 lineup into a bottom-5 season hardly merits a coach of the year nomination. Wouldn't be reasonable to expect more, but it's certainly not some cinderella season either.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

The above is a perfect example of the all talk, no 'know' fans that are the most annoying in any fanbase. They watch a game here and there, wear the jerseys, look at the standings now and again, but then base every argument about coaching and players' competence on stats and standings. With very little to no insight beyond that. I get that wins and losses are what matter at the end of the day, but you have to understand the context of a team's situation in order to fairly gauge performances.

It would be next to impossible for this team to be any better than 12th place in the west / 25th overall this season, with ANY coach. So because the team is where it was projected to be, that implies that Hartley is incompetent as a coach?

I get some people are perhaps more casual fans than others, but when the team declares a full on rebuild, then you go into the next season treating it like the last, still expecting a playoff finish, then I think you need to do some reading up on your team and sport.

Why don't you re-read what the poster says above.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

Why don't you re-read what the poster says above.

I read his post in the context of Poe.

[AcGold]

I'm really surprised with how well we are doing to be honest. With how badly management screwed us in the past 3 years I figured we would be last by a mile. Huge credit to Hartley. I often watch the opposing teams broadcast and quite frequently they note how hard they play and that even if we lose most nights the other team has to earn it.

That is something to be proud of. Until you see negative energy surrounding the team, lazy vets skipping optional practices and no emotion on the bench take it easy on Hartley. He's fostering work ethic and more importantly a deep rooted need to win. That's how you start a rebuild. After this year UFA's are much more likely to want to come here than the other bottom feeders because there is an actual team here, the guys care about each other and get mad when something goes wrong. I remember Stajan got hurt and he was fuming, that's huge. We need to expel Butler because his negative attitude is a hindrance, same might be said for Glencross. No passengers that pout when things don't go their way, so you're benched and maybe it was the wrong call; work your ass off twice as hard instead of moping around spreading the negativity

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I read his post in the context of Poe.

That's right. The poster who said, "I'm not saying that he hasn't done a great job with what he has, I'm saying it's idiotic to say he should even be in the running for coach of the year"

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

That's right. The poster who said, "I'm not saying that he hasn't done a great job with what he has, I'm saying it's idiotic to say he should even be in the running for coach of the year"

Which doesn't jive with what he stated in the body of his post. He did say that, yes, but he also stated a bunch of things that naturally happen to a rebuilding team attributed it to Hartley, and this isn't the only time he's done it.

He often criticizes this years Flames team as if they were built to be a playoff team and are massively failing and everyone from the coaches to management are to blame.

[Sylvanfan]

Well sometimes I think coaches can do a better job coaching a younger team with less talent because the young players will do as the coach asks. When the Flames were decimated with injuries and playing Tom Kostopolos in their top 6 under Brent Sutter, they put up the same record despite playing 6-7 AHL players for a 12 game stretch. The vets came back and suddenly so did other bad habits from their game.

This team does lack talent, the players I think are aware of this, and such know that if they don't bust their arse they will lose games 5 and 6 nothing. Hartley has done a goog job of getting the guys refocused, and back to playing with a lot of personal pride and that did start at the Vancouver fight night. This road trip will be tough if it's 3 games of Berra. Hopefully the team keeps playing hard.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Which doesn't jive with what he stated in the body of his post. He did say that, yes, but he also stated a bunch of things that naturally happen to a rebuilding team attributed it to Hartley, and this isn't the only time he's done it.

He often criticizes this years Flames team as if they were built to be a playoff team and are massively failing and everyone from the coaches to management are to blame.

In this instance he was giving reasons why Hartley should not be considered coach of the year.

If you think it's not an overreaction to call Hartley a candidate for the coach of the year during a winning streak, don't complain if people react the opposite way during a losing streak. And there's been more losing than winning this season.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by AcGold

...We need to expel Butler because his negative attitude is a hindrance...

What negative attitude? I get why a lot of people don't like Butler, but this is the first I have ever heard of "attitude" problems.

[puckluck2]

Yeah I'm probably the biggest Butler hater and not once have I noticed he's had a bad attitude.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Yeah I'm probably the biggest Butler hater and not once have I noticed he's had a bad attitude.

Likewise. Stuck up for a cheap shot the other day on I think Cammalleri. Throws himself in front of pucks.

Clueless sometimes but surely not attitude.

[Torchdemall]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

In this instance he was giving reasons why Hartley should not be considered coach of the year.

If you think it's not an overreaction to call Hartley a candidate for the coach of the year during a winning streak, don't complain if people react the opposite way during a losing streak. And there's been more losing than winning this season.

*facepalm* ... 1st year of a rebuild...

I agree coach of the year is a stretch... but man the negative, anti-staff and player BS that runs rampant here... considering they are playing at or above their level and finding ways to compete should be cause for congratulations! Maybe some people want to try to swing the pendulum the other way for a change, it gets kind of depressing to see the negativity in here, and for those of us who seem to realize what a rebuild entails... this is not even close to the worst it is likely to get. You might want to plan a vacation next year.

Just saying.

[Itse]

Personally, I wouldn't even think of giving Hartley some kind of an award for the season either, even though I've mostly liked what he's doing.

I was actually most impressed with him during the last losing streak, since looking at his interviews and the players interviews I felt that the atmosphere seemed to be pretty good, all things considered, and I think that's very important, especially for us right now. (Didn't post about it, because I didn't really feel like arguing about it.)

All that said, you don't give awards for being a good sport. As for the results, it's hard to say much about them. IMO we're about where we should be, looking at our roster. A couple of spots here or there doesn't really change much.

Mostly what this season has proven is that there's never an excuse to be last in the league. You have to be truly special for that.