Survivor: Season 27 "Blood vs Water" Pool

[killer_carlson]

I see what you are saying, but it comes down o this. She convinced a group of her competitors that she deserved to win. We dont see everything that happens, and as much as we think Colby should have won, he didnt (i thought colby should have won as well btw).

The game isnt just physical challenges and making a go of it at camp (ozzy, rupert). It isnt manipulating tribes and votes (hantz), it is also convincing the jury to vote for you. Lots of players have been good at parts of tns game but not been able to pull off the win, only to talk smack and claim outrage.

[GreenLantern]

Good points, but I still side with Tyson on his comment. Differing of opinions here

I see the votes Tina got more as votes that Colby didn't get. The vote was out of spite, she hid in his shadow.. is that a game plan? I guess I am wrong, I guess it is, but not one that I respect. However you are right, she won and good for her.

[trackercowe]

Colby screwed himself by keeping Tina over Keith. He was guaranteed to win if he kept Keith around. Cost himself 900k for making an absolutely moronic choice; one of the worst in Survivor history imo.

[Acey]

What a solid season. Good balance, character development, strategy... best season since China.

[Cheese]

Aras does not like BananaPancakes or Cheese and is out of game after loss at Redemption.
Cheese is also done and BP takes first hit.

Decent episode but next week looks great with discussion over getting rid of Tyson.

[GreenLantern]

Hey so my PVR messed up last night didn't record, is there anywhere to legally stream episodes for Canadians?

[BananaPancakes]

Yeah Aras was kind of a disappointment this season. He's a likeable guy but that will only take you so far in this game. I'm still rooting for Vytus though, he's such an interesting player to watch, I hope they invite him back for another season.

And Tyson is being made out to be a villain/mastermind behind all the recent votes, he'll be joining redemption soon enough.

[BananaPancakes]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Hey so my PVR messed up last night didn't record, is there anywhere to legally stream episodes for Canadians?

http://www.globaltv.com is the best place

[ineedanother]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Hey so my PVR messed up last night didn't record, is there anywhere to legally stream episodes for Canadians?

If you have Shaw you should be able to view it On Demand. Unsure if available on other providers.

[GreenLantern]

Found it, thanks a lot guys.

Good episode.. if those four players wake up and vote those guys out it would be awesome. And definitely their best move. If anyone can appreciate a move like that it has to be veterans. Out of a final 4 of Ciera, Katie, Hayden and Caleb I honestly would have a hard time figuring out who would win.

[D to the iddy]

I think people are underestimating Hayden. He won a reality show based around the same concept for Survivor (voting people out and then having them vote for the winner). He's playing a similar game as Big Brother where he's not top dog but he's in the strongest alliance and no one is even talking about him as a threat (that we see). I can definitely see him getting to the end.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by BananaPancakes

I'm still rooting for Vytus though, he's such an interesting player to watch, I hope they invite him back for another season.

Yeah, in terms of loved ones being brought back on their own merits I think the only two who would warrent a second look are Vytus & Ciera.

Originally Posted by BananaPancakes

And Tyson is being made out to be a villain/mastermind behind all the recent votes, he'll be joining redemption soon enough.

Nah, he's getting to much of a "winner" edit. He's essentually been the narrator this year... hard to see him going before F5.

[Cheese]

So...interesting episode tonight and possible fireworks next week. Ciera makes a confusing move after having an opportunity to be top 3 with Hayden and Caleb to vote out Tyson, plays turncoat and aligns with Tyson's group where there isn't a hope in hell she will get top 3. Silly move IMHO opinion. Not a lot of thought put into what she did. Paranoia forced Tyson to play the idol and that will ultimately kill him in the next few weeks.
Vytas gets hosed on redemption and is jury bound with his brother and Caleb takes the hit at tribal and replaces him.

Regulator 75 is out with Vytas and Kevan Guy takes his first hit

[CaptainCrunch]

Why are people so stupid.

As soon as the power block of three sat down to eat. I would have pointed out to the other people in the immunity challenge that there were four people there that represented a majority and then had a discussion about who to vote out.

There was a real chance to change the balance of the game, and break up an alliance that had two people sitting at the table that could represent 2 of the final three.

Amazingly stupid.

What was really baffling is those three eating and putting targets on their back.

[GreenLantern]

And the way they ate, it isn't like any of them were quiet about it. There was no need for the theatrics. Hopefully you still have it PVRed, or go to Global, but if you watch as they are walking away it shows Tyson handing Monica something wrapped in a buff. So I am gussing Tyson smuggled her out some food to keep her happy and content. He is a clever bugger that Tyson.

My favourite part of the show was how it opens with Ciera talking about her voting her Mom out. She made this move, showed she is a player, and now hopefully people will want to play with her and make moves with her. Person comes up to make a move that 90% sees her sitting on the final 3, and she turns them down? Horrible.

I give Hayden credit, him and Caleb were still scrambling and they ALMOST had Tyson convinced with their story about Ciera playing both sides. He is a real player and a constant thinker. However, it was a rookie mistake to trust a crazy... and Ciera clearly is all kinds of crazy. "Teen Mom, hellraiser, she can look you right in the eye and lie to you". Best line of the season.

[Oling_Roachinen]

I'm not a fan of Ciera but I don't think her decision was particularly wrong.
I think the choice came down to pretty much:

Go with Tyson and Gervasse, who look to be super close, and have Monica be the fourth tag along member.
Or
Go with Hayden and Caleb, who look to be super close, and have Katie be the fourth tag along member.

With the x-factor being redemption island and at this point it's only going to be to the benefit of herself or Katie.

I think with the edits it's easy to see Tyson as the evil mastermind from this perspective but would she have faired any better going up against the, apparently, very likable Hayden and Caleb? Hayden happens to also be the only winner of a reality TV show at this point. Despite everyone saying Katie was a threat, she's pretty much useless, probably a lot easier making Monica and her many individual immunity wins look like a bigger threat if she can't break up Tyson and Gervasse.

As for the ramification of jury votes, despite Hayden and Caleb trying to break the alliance by voting out Tyson they think Ciera was untrustworthy for sticking the alliance. And if she didn't go to Tyson he would have likely gave Hayden/Caleb the credit for taking him down. She's in a bit of damned if she does damned if she doesn't situation here but at the end of the day one of the people she needs to get out is out, the idol was flushed, the biggest threat is still in the game (that's not necessarily good or bad) and Caleb probably has a weaker chance against her mother on redemption island.

[GreenLantern]

I just can't see them bringing someone to the final 3 who has a family member on the other side... and what if they can't beat Monica at any immunity challenges? They are going to vote themselves out?

Doubt it. Ciera is the first casualty. She has a much better shot at beating out Katie than Monica for that final 3 spot.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Why are people so stupid.

As soon as the power block of three sat down to eat. I would have pointed out to the other people in the immunity challenge that there were four people there that represented a majority and then had a discussion about who to vote out.

There was a real chance to change the balance of the game, and break up an alliance that had two people sitting at the table that could represent 2 of the final three.

Amazingly stupid.

What was really baffling is those three eating and putting targets on their back.

I was thinking the same...the two that flanked Monica while the other 3 ate should have been whispering in her ear about joining them as a strong 4. Of course she prob had a deal with Tyson for food anyways. In the end Tyson looks silly because noone voted for him, so he has to wonder now who was really lying!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cheese

I was thinking the same...the two that flanked Monica while the other 3 ate should have been whispering in her ear about joining them as a strong 4. Of course she prob had a deal with Tyson for food anyways. In the end Tyson looks silly because noone voted for him, so he has to wonder now who was really lying!

It would have been the perfect time to sit there and say "look at those guys eating over there, they think they have nothing to lose.

But I look at the four of us who are frightened of getting voted out against the three eaters over there and do the math.

None of us have to go home, we can be the final three.

Hey Tyson, we'll vote you and if you have the immunity idol you might want to play it because the second vote is Ciera.

Enjoy your meal because its your last dinner.

And then all of them should have dropped the buckets at the same time, then they should have flicked gang signs and walked off.

Why don't people think of doing that. It would have been amazing to see Ciera and Tyson and Gervais who's just doing the coat tails thing coking on their food.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I'm not a fan of Ciera but I don't think her decision was particularly wrong.
I think the choice came down to pretty much:

Go with Tyson and Gervasse, who look to be super close, and have Monica be the fourth tag along member.
Or
Go with Hayden and Caleb, who look to be super close, and have Katie be the fourth tag along member.

While true... the numbers do work the same either way but if I'm Ciera I like my challange odds better at F4 against K/H/C then against T/G/M. Additionally I think it'd be easier to argue a "I deserve this" case against those three. Ultimately I think it comes down to how Tyson is viewed by the people there and I don't think he's played a scortched earth social game.