Tipping is now at about 20% for good service

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by valo403

If he, the delivery driver, is incurring the costs then what costs are being borne by the establishment to provide delivery? If anything delivery should cost less if the model is to have the cost of doing the actual delivering put onto the employees. Where is the additional cost to delivery?

Going back to my previous post about how drivers get paid, that delivery charge pretty much goes into paying the driver's salary. Adjusting for inflation and increases in minimum wage, that $5 delivery charge would about pay for the driver's wage.

So the difference in labour cost for the restaurant between pickup and delivery is paid for by that delivery charge. As I outlined earlier, getting paid a buck over minimum wage really wouldn't cover gas. But getting paid tips is what covers those extra expenses, and also makes the wage a little better than your average "minimum wage job." I actually know a few guys who 10 years later are still delivering pizza. They were people who were semi-retired and keep doing it because it pays OK.

[gottabekd]

I'm willing to pay the norm. But sometimes I don't know the socially accepted standard. The pizza delivery thing is a good example. Let's say I get a pizza flyer in the mail. It says "Delivery is $5 plus gratuity", that tells me right away that they expect a tip on top of the $5. And that's great. If they just said "Delivery is $5", I can easily see some people interpreting that as "well, I guess that's the tip. I'm glad they put that on there, so I don't have to figure out how much to tip".

So for me, I don't mind giving people money, I just need to be told exactly when it is expected, and how much they want

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

Am I the only one who tips a standard amount regardless of service (unless it is terrible which is almost never) and just doesn't go back if it wasn't enjoyable?
I do tip better if it is somewhere I go all the time and they know who I am otherwise it is pretty standard though

This is the sentiment i can't understand. I have been on both sides of the counter, and having the ability to control the tip is one of the little privileges that helps me keep my sanity in day to day interactions.

I also think that it was a little too easy to pile on major major earlier in the thread, and the posters flaming him clearly haven't been in a lot of those situations. I think he's justified in his continuing service for crappy tippers being a little crappier itself, it's only natural. and as far as making the odd comment goes, people are only human, and these little measures of revenge, although petty can be pretty therapeutic in stressful environments.

I sing in a band and lots of times i'll leave more money at the bar than i walk out with. I enjoy buying good bartenders shots and tipping well, and when you're drinking it gets pretty easy to lose track of your %s and start throwing money around and buying lots too many drinks, which are all good things for bar and bar staff. and are all a product of good service and a fun environment, which i can be partly responsible for as well, if the show is fun for the crowd.

but the flip-side, i can relish in being a jerk sometimes. I will never leave no tip or tip under 5-10% on a bill, and i'm never outwardly rude or mean, but i do however feel compelled to have some fun when i get bad service sometimes.

One game i like to play is ordering drinks that are hard to pour and never the same one twice. If i get really bad service then it goes from "pint of kieth's please" to "lemon drop" "mojito" "zombie" "white russian" "paralyzer" "harvey wallbanger"
i personally don't care what i drink but this slows them down and screws with thier night and makes me very happy in a childish way. and when the bill comes i don't feel bad about leaving a standard tip because i put them through the wringer for it.

so the question is which is worse, leaving no tip when you get bad service or ordering increasingly difficult to pour drinks? i'm not cheap in any way at all but i do loathe crappy service. who wants to get yelled at, get sarcastic lip, or get fronted on while giving away their money?

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by handgroen

This is the sentiment i can't understand. I have been on both sides of the counter, and having the ability to control the tip is one of the little privileges that helps me keep my sanity in day to day interactions.

I have no desire to control every aspect of my life though.
I often go out when I have spent the entire day making decisions and simply don't want to make more. Therefore I select a restaurant that I know has good service and tip a standard amount.
I take no satisfaction from receiving poor service and then leaving a small/no tip.
I would much rather identify the places with consistently good service and frequent them.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

I have no desire to control every aspect of my life though.
I often go out when I have spent the entire day making decisions and simply don't want to make more. Therefore I select a restaurant that I know has good service and tip a standard amount.
I take no satisfaction from receiving poor service and then leaving a small/no tip.
I would much rather identify the places with consistently good service and frequent them.

Good point and well addressed, i suppose i do swim upstream in lots of instances but it keeps me from feeling powerless.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Muta

Australia, New Zealand and Japan are awesome. No tipping; it's just not something you do. In the latter country, it's even considered rude.

Yeah, except the service freaking sucks in Australia. I can't remember the amount of times I had to wave or shout a waiter over to order. I'd rather have the better service and tip.

I remember I tipped once when I first went there and the waitresses was so happy! Hah.

[Mister Yamoto]

I like to pay 8$ per drink.

I also like being driven home by the server, getting a free drink or two AFTER last call and having the TV remote control handed to me when the bar isn't busy.

I would imagine that the "tipping well will not get you better service people" will never know because they have never tipped well.

[Daradon]

My dad taught a trick which many will say is a 'duh', but according to this thread will help.

Tip huge and early. It can actually save you, if that is your end goal. It's a natural thought to tip at the end of exceptional service. And in a perfect world, it would go that way.

But by tipping early or big or both, you grab the attention, they seperate you from all the scrubs and you'll always get the VIP treatment. Even if you tip less and less from there on in.

It's an investment into great treatment. Whether it's that night at the club, or the first in a year of family brunches.

It obviously doesn't work if your not planning on going back, or seeing the particular waitress again.

Though I will add, service staff has a LONG memory.

[Philly06Cup]

A hypothetical proposal:

Tip a server an amount, such that if everyone tipped the amount you did, he/she would receive what you estimate to be a fair wage.

Examples.

A McDonalds worker makes minimum wage. If you don't tip, you are assessing that fair wage for a McDonalds workers is minimum wage.

A bartender at a busy nightclub makes minimum wage. He works 8 hours (including cleanup/prep), and lets estimate that he pours 400 drinks for people over the night. If you tip him $1/drink, you're estimating a fair wage for a bartender is ~$50/hour.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I get your point, you see it as if a restaurant added a 15% service fee, then also wanted you to tip the waitress as well.

When my wife and I were in Florida, this is what happened. They added the gratuity to the bill automatically (15%) even though the service was horrid and expected us to tip the server on top of that. I told them to go pound sand and quite frankly, really told them what I felt about adding 15% automatically as the service was awful and they didn't deserve it.

I was promptly called "Canadian" and asked to leave.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Fire

It would easier if no tip was automatically included. Figuring out 15% is easy since you can just multiply the GST by 3 and then you could add more or less depending on service.

There is a reason for the auto grat on parties, cause many of the groups are always short and the server gets screwed and maybe loses money.

The party also takes up a great deal of the servers time and section. There are no second chances with a party of 12 on a Sat night. If you don't make $ you don't make rent.

[Regulator75]

http://www.break.com/article/waitres...of-tip-2883652

While minimum wage in the state is $8.38, restaurant servers in New Jersey make $2.50 an hour and work for tips. One Rutgers University student trying to pay her way through school by waiting tables at D’Jais Bar and Grill in Belmar got that $2.50… and an “LOL” in place of a monetary tip for a bill totaling $112.03. The words “1 hour for food” were written on the receipt, and now the waitress is taking to social media and the news to express her total outrage.

[sureLoss]

^ I thought most restaurants take an automatic gratuity when serving a party of 8 or more.

[Weitz]

Maybe she should have talked to her management to resolve the situation.

15% if service is good. Less if it isn't depending on how bad. That's what I do.

[Swarly]

so now that the NDP is raising all minimum wage so drastically and giving servers in Calgary a living wage we can reduce our tips to 0%, 5% if really good service.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Swarly

so now that the NDP is raising all minimum wage so drastically and giving servers in Calgary a living wage we can reduce our tips to 0%, 5% if really good service.

Yep, so servers will be making less in the long run. Thanks NDP.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Swarly

so now that the NDP is raising all minimum wage so drastically and giving servers in Calgary a living wage we can reduce our tips to 0%, 5% if really good service.

Don't know if I'll be dropping to 0, since I'm assuming there's no way that bars will be eliminating servers still paying out a house tip-out, but I can see cutting it to 5.

[GGG]

I flat tip 15% regardless of service recieved.

Tipping for performance an insulting practice that incentivizes volume of tables pushed through a restaurant instead of good service.

I do think servers trying to shame customers should be fired though. She should have talked to her manager and the manager bar the people from returning

[GGG]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

Don't know if I'll be dropping to 0, since I'm assuming there's no way that bars will be eliminating servers still paying out a house tip-out, but I can see cutting it to 5.

Tip out is around 5%. A server in a restaurant will have between 4 and 8 tables per hour. Maybe a few more depending on the restaurant. If we agree that $20 per hour is a fair wage for the work being done and the shift is likely 5 hrs long you night get 20 tables in a night. You need $25 over the night above wage to get to $20 per hour so with 20 tables you need $1.25 above tip out to hit that mark.

I'll probably drop to a 7% tip once minimum wage is increased.

However the kitchen is getting paid more so tip out to the kitchen should drop as well so maybe it does drop to 5%.

Or maybe restaurant owners will take this opportunity to eliminate tips from the system and have a madatory service fee instead of raising prices

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by GGG

Tip out is around 5%. A server in a restaurant will have between 4 and 8 tables per hour. Maybe a few more depending on the restaurant. If we agree that $20 per hour is a fair wage for the work being done and the shift is likely 5 hrs long you night get 20 tables in a night. You need $25 over the night above wage to get to $20 per hour so with 20 tables you need $1.25 above tip out to hit that mark.

I'll probably drop to a 7% tip once minimum wage is increased.

However the kitchen is getting paid more so tip out to the kitchen should drop as well so maybe it does drop to 5%.

Or maybe restaurant owners will take this opportunity to eliminate tips from the system and have a madatory service fee instead of raising prices

Already happening in the US

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/24/bu...ices.html?_r=0