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Old 07-02-2013, 09:11 AM   #221
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Ah, the young people today. They don't know how good they've got it.

If you can find it, go watch some video of Jeff Shantz centring the Flames' first line. (I was a season-ticket holder back then; they couldn't find anybody better to sell them to. So I won't watch the videos with you; it triggers my PTSD.)

Those were dark days, and by dark, I mean they were carved out of obsidian, painted matte black, wrapped in light-proof shrouds, dipped in special secret dark sauce, fed to a black cat, which was fed to a black dog, which was fed to a black panther, which was put in a black gunnysack with 100 pounds of coal dust and then inserted up the rectum of a black bull, in an unlit drift 1,000 feet deep in an anthracite mine, after midnight on a foggy night with no moon.

In those days, the Calgary Flames consisted of 23 Young Guns and no bullets.
Excellent post. I'll also add to those posters that appear to wish to trade away all the vets and ice an all-rookie team - the Flames have been there, done that and it was pretty much horrible.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:23 AM   #222
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When Feaster drafted Monahan, at first I was pi...ed off because:

1) Wanted to draft one of Jones/Barkov/McKinnon/Druin (unlikely I know)
2) Use to 6th to trade for Seguin
3) Draft either Lindholm or the Russian

Drafting Monahan was the last on the list. Not because do I think Monahan is a bad player, but doesn't scream "franchise player" and I really wanted us to draft/trade for one.

However, reading up on him, reading his interview, I'm starting to warm up to him. Hopefully, he becomes that #1C we've been looking for.
1) That's a weird thing to be upset about, as you admit it was never going to happen
2) It would have cost more then just that for Seguin and I worry about why a team is giving up on such a young player so early
3) Well, if you're upset about this then you're upset about this. I question why though. In the Monahan-Lindholm debate thread I wanted Monahan but Lindholm is a top notch prospect too. Fans tend to get too focused on their guy and the tunnel vision blocks out the positives of other players.

As for Monahan... if he develops he'll be a number one centre. Not in the Crosby, Malkin, Thornton, area. But more along the lines of Jonothan Toews. You won't see Monahan pop 50 goals and 100 points like those guys but he'll be a 30 goal, 70-80 point guy... all the while being the leader you need, playing physical, playing the two-way all situations type guy.

He's an excellent building block.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:35 AM   #223
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1) That's a weird thing to be upset about, as you admit it was never going to happen
2) It would have cost more then just that for Seguin and I worry about why a team is giving up on such a young player so early
3) Well, if you're upset about this then you're upset about this. I question why though. In the Monahan-Lindholm debate thread I wanted Monahan but Lindholm is a top notch prospect too. Fans tend to get too focused on their guy and the tunnel vision blocks out the positives of other players.

As for Monahan... if he develops he'll be a number one centre. Not in the Crosby, Malkin, Thornton, area. But more along the lines of Jonothan Toews. You won't see Monahan pop 50 goals and 100 points like those guys but he'll be a 30 goal, 70-80 point guy... all the while being the leader you need, playing physical, playing the two-way all situations type guy.

He's an excellent building block.
1) I just meant if they fell to 6th, I'd take them instead of Monahan/Lindholm. However, odds of that were very low. I'm not upset about this, just an order pf preference.
2) If the rumored deal was true, I'd do that deal in a second. Seguin has much higher ceiling than SM. And JG is still a longshot.
3) I'd rather we drafted Lindholm or VN, but I guess each of us have their own opinion.
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Excellent post. I'll also add to those posters that appear to wish to trade away all the vets and ice an all-rookie team - the Flames have been there, done that and it was pretty much horrible.
But that was a totally different era. The Flames couldn't sign any quality free agents to complement their youth and couldn't resign their best players once they were UFAs. It was a tremendously uneven playing field.

I don't think anyone is saying that we should only play youth but I think many are saying that we should fill as much of our roster with young talent and use free agency to fill in the temporary gaps.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:39 AM   #225
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was excited at the prospect of getting seguin like any flame fan, but monahan is looking like his upside could be about that of seguin or maybe a bit less. I'm happy we didnt give up monahan and other assets to get seguin.
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Being a Canadian in a Canadian city I would prefer a potential #1 center from Canada than a #1 center from Sweden if they are virtually equal. Plus I like the extra 2 inches in height that Monahan brings.
plus Monahan has both his arms

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Yep, remember when I moved out her in 93 from the big smoke and thought, finally moving somewhere where there's contender hockey teams and playoffs. Little did I know...
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:32 PM   #228
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I'm just happy Carolina picked Lindholm and left Monahan for us. I would have been happy the other way around too, as long as the Oilers didn't get to take the other one. Last thing I want is to have a "should we have taken X because he looks better on the Oilers" debate going on for the next several years.
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I'm just happy Carolina picked Lindholm and left Monahan for us. I would have been happy the other way around too, as long as the Oilers didn't get to take the other one. Last thing I want is to have a "should we have taken X because he looks better on the Oilers" debate going on for the next several years.
Avoiding the "what if" is an unintended bonus for sure.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:47 PM   #230
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Avoiding the "what if" is an unintended bonus for sure.
Feaster was probably happy as well. The pick was virtually made for him. Even if Monahan doesn't pan out, no one will be able to say he should have picked the other.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:21 PM   #231
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Ah, the young people today. They don't know how good they've got it.

If you can find it, go watch some video of Jeff Shantz centring the Flames' first line. (I was a season-ticket holder back then; they couldn't find anybody better to sell them to. So I won't watch the videos with you; it triggers my PTSD.)

Those were dark days, and by dark, I mean they were carved out of obsidian, painted matte black, wrapped in light-proof shrouds, dipped in special secret dark sauce, fed to a black cat, which was fed to a black dog, which was fed to a black panther, which was put in a black gunnysack with 100 pounds of coal dust and then inserted up the rectum of a black bull, in an unlit drift 1,000 feet deep in an anthracite mine, after midnight on a foggy night with no moon.

In those days, the Calgary Flames consisted of 23 Young Guns and no bullets.
OMG talk about spit beer thru my beak!! Best post I have read .. best anything I have read in a long time!! Had to log in and thank/reply to this and I hadn't logged in for a looooong time!!! (lurker) But also so very very true it was such a dark time!
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Ah, the young people today. They don't know how good they've got it.

If you can find it, go watch some video of Jeff Shantz centring the Flames' first line. (I was a season-ticket holder back then; they couldn't find anybody better to sell them to. So I won't watch the videos with you; it triggers my PTSD.)

Those were dark days, and by dark, I mean they were carved out of obsidian, painted matte black, wrapped in light-proof shrouds, dipped in special secret dark sauce, fed to a black cat, which was fed to a black dog, which was fed to a black panther, which was put in a black gunnysack with 100 pounds of coal dust and then inserted up the rectum of a black bull, in an unlit drift 1,000 feet deep in an anthracite mine, after midnight on a foggy night with no moon.

In those days, the Calgary Flames consisted of 23 Young Guns and no bullets.
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Lol, From the Flames website comments section:

C C2 days ago
BTW - Has anyone besides me noticed that Monahan looks like Stiffler from the American Pie movies?
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Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC 2m 1) Pardon me again, I just can't get over Carolina picking Elias Lindholm in their first pick passing over Sean Monahan of the Ottawa 67's
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Geez Don, we get it, only pick Canadian kids. At least he's predictable.

Rest of his rant:

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2) a dynamite hockey player and SSM's Darnell Nurse. And Buffalo taking Rasmus Ristolainen over Bo Horvat of the London Knights. How about Dallas taking Valeri Nichushkin over Max Domi. Florida taking Aleksander Barkov over Drouin. Didn't they see the Stanley Cup Finals?

15 Canadians on Boston and 13 on Chicago. Bickell from Orono ties the game late and Bolland of Mimico scores the winner. Only European who was around was Rask. 28 Canadians in the finals. Please note where these teams always end up in the standings. Guaranteed to stay there. Mark it on the wall.
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Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC 2m 1) Pardon me again, I just can't get over Carolina picking Elias Lindholm in their first pick passing over Sean Monahan of the Ottawa 67's

Maybe they figured that they already have Jordan Staal and so they don't need the prospect that is compared to him if all goes well.
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"Calgary did a good thing drafting the good ol' Ontariah boy eh. Good ol' Brampton guy eh. But then when ya think there on the right track eh... you know what they do? They go 'n' draft a visor wearin' frankois eh. Y'know these GMs just never learn eh. Let's go!"

/Cherry.
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Maybe they figured that they already have Jordan Staal and so they don't need the prospect is compared to him.
Never heard a Jordan Staal comparable, name I've heard was Eric.
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I'm pretty shocked Don Cherry is actually on a computer typing things onto Twitter. Either that, or someone is actually willing to record his thoughts and translate them into written text, which is pretty shocking as well.
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Rookie camp could be a must see this summer.
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