If it wasn't for the united states and it's soldiers Kuwait would be Iraq Junior, China would be part of Japan, and Europe would be mourning the death of Hitler in the 90's.
Canada isn't much different, I don't see Canada as a separate country, rather a brother of ours that lives in a colder climate. Most often Canada and the U.S are side by side along with England.
Do I agree that some things are not good like Vietnam, Iraq 2.0, however the U.S has done by far more good than it has bad
You're still not getting the point. People around the world see the US as global terrorists. Nobody here is saying that is the case, but is without a doubt a view that is widely held.
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If you lived in Puerto Rico in the 80's there was, but I've already stated that the inclusion of Puerto Rico and the label skews the data.
And yes, you could make a chart with your assigned values and it would basically be 9/11 taking up 99% of it, which sounds like a pretty useless chart to me unless your goal is to show which incidents have been the most destructive, something I'm not sure has ever been debated.
You're also pretending that unsuccessful terrorist acts simply didn't happen. The attempted car bombing in Times Sq a few years go failed and resulted in no deaths or property damage, but it sure as hell happened and it certainly had an impact on people living here.
I wonder if the FBI is using MS13 latino gang violence as terrorist attacks like the Brady group using suicides in their gun violence data
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I get what he's saying. I think if you factor in all the nutjob mass shootings over the past 15-20 years, oklahoma, etc, 9/11 is not going to be 95% of that chart.
I'm sorry, but barging into an elementary school and shooting up kindergarten classrooms with semi-automatic weapons is an act of terrorism. Colorado movie theatre, Mother's Day parades, etc. All that should be on the chart, and from what I understand most of the mass shootings in recent US history haven't been Islamic extremists.
well the mothers day thing was some hood rat gang shooting.
Lets not forget the Jihadist in Ft. Hood, the US government refuses to say that it's a terrorist attack, rather a work place violence attack.
Any time that someone kills innocent civilians to get their "point" across is an act of terrorism. If you don't like a country and it's government dont take it out on the civilians, rather their government.
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You're still not getting the point. People around the world see the US as global terrorists. Nobody here is saying that is the case, but is without a doubt a view that is widely held.
I understand but it's an uneducated one. I agree, we're seen as a bunch of a**holes that start shooting then ask questions. But many see the French as a bunch of pansies that would rather live under the thumb of the nazi's than fight for their freedom. Does that mean that it's true?
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I understand but it's an uneducated one. I agree, we're seen as a bunch of a**holes that start shooting then ask questions. But many see the French as a bunch of pansies that would rather live under the thumb of the nazi's than fight for their freedom. Does that mean that it's true?
Dude, nobody said that it's true. It doesn't change the fact that it's a view held by millions, if not billions, of people.
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I understand but it's an uneducated one. I agree, we're seen as a bunch of a**holes that start shooting then ask questions. But many see the French as a bunch of pansies that would rather live under the thumb of the nazi's than fight for their freedom. Does that mean that it's true?
Poor selection........
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You're still not getting the point. People around the world see the US as global terrorists. Nobody here is saying that is the case, but is without a doubt a view that is widely held.
The problem is, it's all grey.
And we are talking about nations that have a history of taking out stable, healthy governments (Iran) and prop up puppet governments they think they can influence that turn out to be lunatics.
Sometimes this is in an effort to help.
Sometimes its for economic gain (BP) and influence.
Even when going on a totally noble mission to wipe Al Queda off the face of the map, you are going to have mistakes, and innocent civilians will be killed or have their property destroyed. This can only happen so many times before people snap.
This is why in an ideal world the UN would take care of all this stuff, but we all know how well that always works...
Is MS13 gang violence in furtherance of a political or social objective? I'd say it's in furtherance of controlling drug turf.
well common sense would dictate that but who knows
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You're still not getting the point. People around the world see the US as global terrorists. Nobody here is saying that is the case, but is without a doubt a view that is widely held.
The way people view the USA is far more complicated than that. The reason the USA is viewed negatively is that they currently do not have any competitors for global leader. There are lots of people who confess to hate the USA. Many of those same people, however, do everything they can to be like Americans. Even in countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran, where anti-USA sentiment is huge, you have people going to great lengths to gain access to American culture and status symbols.
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That chart accurately presents exactly what it says it presents.
Did you make that chart? You seem really protective of it, and it seriously looks like it was made by a first-year intern who used a wizard in Excel to produce it. It is, without a doubt, the feeblest attempt at charting I have seen since the last time I opened the Calgary SUN.
Yah, the chart shows you a (debatably) accurate graphical view of the data. So what? I could show you a list of numbers from the same original source and it would convey MORE information with the same impact, but the whole point of making a graphic is to convey information more succinctly and/or vividly, and to help the viewer understand the data in ways that aren't possible or easy to see by just looking at the source.
That chart, conversely, does nothing but make me wonder who picked the labels, color scheme, and data to be presented. It actively conveys negative information, so that I will go to bed fearing the Latino threat to our way of life. That chart, valo, is why the terrorists are winning.
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Did you make that chart? You seem really protective of it, and it seriously looks like it was made by a first-year intern who used a wizard in Excel to produce it. It is, without a doubt, the feeblest attempt at charting I have seen since the last time I opened the Calgary SUN.
Yah, the chart shows you a (debatably) accurate graphical view of the data. So what? I could show you a list of numbers from the same original source and it would convey MORE information with the same impact, but the whole point of making a graphic is to convey information more succinctly and/or vividly, and to help the viewer understand the data in ways that aren't possible or easy to see by just looking at the source.
That chart, conversely, does nothing but make me wonder who picked the labels, color scheme, and data to be presented. It actively conveys negative information, so that I will go to bed fearing the Latino threat to our way of life. That chart, valo, is why the terrorists are winning.
The biggest issues with the chart are:
1) The timeline: it's chosen 1980 to 2005. Noone cares what was going in in 1980. A better chart would be 2000 to 2013.
2) The way it equates events like an attempted arson attack - in which no casualties were expected - by the Earth Liberation Front with September 11th.
3) The graph flat out lies. It includes attempted attacks from various groups, yet mentions no attacks or attempted attacks by jihadists, since 9/11, of which there have been many. It also omits several actual attacks by jihadists:
Edit: I also looked into some of the terrorist attacks by "Jewish Extremists". Several were pipe bombs sent from members of the JDL to rival members of the JDL. Since when does a gang member attacking another gang member qualify as a terrorist attack? Once again, a very selective list.
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I understand but it's an uneducated one. I agree, we're seen as a bunch of a**holes that start shooting then ask questions. But many see the French as a bunch of pansies that would rather live under the thumb of the nazi's than fight for their freedom. Does that mean that it's true?
The French Restistance had some of the bravest and wiliest fighters during WW2 in my opinion and played a huge role in helping allies advance in Europe. I love reading about their stories.
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