[PGT] Flames beat Detroit 3-2.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Teams aren't losing on purpose but all the blowhards taking cheapshots at people who want the Flames to get a better asset and meaningless victories...

Steve Begin scored two fluke goals and we are now 3 or 4 draft places lower. There's no positive spin or good thing about that. The young guys didn't "learn how to win" from that pathetic gritless game. The team is poorer asset wise today.

Even if all the idiots saying Monahan is as good as MacKinnon or Barkov are in line with the Flames thoughts somehow, trading down 3 spots at the top of the draft would be worth another mid to late 1st.

Just boggles my mind how many people are willing to accept a worse team next year and beyond because they think losing 3 or 4 games will magically turn us into the Oilers.

People are not being Blowhards. Some just don't believe losing every game is good for the team. An opposing view from your own does not make either right or wrong.

I watch hockey to cheer for my team.

The Oilers "model" is a very slippery slope and one I do not want the Flames franchise following.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by J-bo09

People are not being Blowhards. Some just don't believe losing every game is good for the team. An opposing view from your own does not make either right or wrong.

I watch hockey to cheer for my team.

The Oilers "model" is a very slippery slope and one I do not want the Flames franchise following.

Following? The teams is going on four years straight out of the playoffs and is laughingstock #2 in the NHL after only the Oilers. This team isn't on a slope. It's free falling. Open your eyes people. None of us should be standing on a pedestal looking down on any other organizations.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Again Duhatschek also addressed winning at garbage time as futile. He said it's been proven that winning without pressure rarely translates to winning under pressure. It doesn't build character or winning habits that translate into a team that wins in the clutch. This isn't just a bunch of 'Oiler fan wannabes' hoping their team becomes losers. It's fans looking past the end of what's been a terrible season for this organization and looking at how this team can avoid a repeat which is by bringing in the best talent possible. This is logic and past history dictating that there is nothing redeeming about bad teams winning games at this time of the year as it actually hurts the proposition of winning in the future.

I said it last night and Duhatschek repeated this morning that last nights game was unfortunate in that you want to get those bounces in games that count. Simply an unfortunate evening.

Nah, I see it differently. I think we can be successful without a top three pick. I like seeing the young guys win games, and I believe it builds their confidence on some level.

Having a Flames team trying to win, and actually winning, is a commendable act. You may not like falling out of a high draft pick slot - but that in no way means that we will see future failure by doing so.

If you're trying to justify losing, go ahead... I used to be like that. But then I decided that cheering for wins is more fun and makes your life as a fan of hockey alot more fun. Otherwise, you just become bitter and scorned Oiler fans confusing the concept of losing with winning.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by moon

I watch Brodie and am impressed. Reinhart has shown me more than I expected as well. So your overreaction seems to be wrong.

It must get tiring having EVERYONE on this forum disagree with you. I guess you are the only one who actually watches the flames games. Which is why I find it odd that you don't think Backlund is the best player on the ice many of these games.

Perhaps you just look at the scoresheet at the end of the game? You can't seriously be unimpressed with him. He creates turnovers, has very good puck control, constantly puts the puck in the offensive zone and is dangerous every shift. His backcheck is second to none on this team.

Either start watching the games or admit you have no hockey sense please.

Also on a side note I enjoyed Hanowski's game tonight. He keeps things simple and is always hard on the forecheck. You can see him use his size to give the defense trouble. Not a flashy player but very gritty and determined.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

It must get tiring having EVERYONE on this forum disagree with you.

I wouldn't know since lots of people agree with me on many different posts I make.

I guess you are the only one who actually watches the flames games. Which is why I find it odd that you don't think Backlund is the best player on the ice many of these games.

I have found Backlund the best player on the ice for the Flames at times this season (can't think of a game he was best player on the ice for both teams). I find it odd that you put words in my mouth and make up things I haven't said.

Perhaps you just look at the scoresheet at the end of the game? You can't seriously be unimpressed with him. He creates turnovers, has very good puck control, constantly puts the puck in the offensive zone and is dangerous every shift. His backcheck is second to none on this team.

I am unimpressed with him being a top 6 forward on a contending team going forward. I think his defensive game is overrated and his offensive instincts just aren't there.

Either start watching the games or admit you have no hockey sense please.

I watch the games thanks and the no hockey sense because I disagree with you on a player is a childish and pointless insult that really adds nothing to the discussion.

[dying4acup]

Based on age and development, Backlund is the most likely to be a flame the next time the flames play a playoff game. Contract may prevent that.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Really? Rinne has a respectable 2.35 GAA and .915 save percentage.

Yeah, those numbers are better than I thought they would be based on the games I've watched and articles I've read - Maybe I've just seen the games when he's been lit up (haha)

[you got PHANUEFED]

Kipper going out in style one more game left.

[FlameFan21]

There are some teams, by makeup or coaching, worse than the Flames and if they finish with a better draft position, then such is the nature of things. We need to just accept that. "Unfortunately", some of our wins in the last while have been unavoidable (Avs, Oilers). Blasting the team for winning games has become almost painful to read. Just enjoy the wins for what they are: wins (looking at the upcoming schedule, this may literally be our last of the season).

As I've said before, every team out of the playoffs has a chance at #1, so stay positive.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by moon

I wouldn't know since lots of people agree with me on many different posts I make.

I have found Backlund the best player on the ice for the Flames at times this season (can't think of a game he was best player on the ice for both teams). I find it odd that you put words in my mouth and make up things I haven't said.

I am unimpressed with him being a top 6 forward on a contending team going forward. I think his defensive game is overrated and his offensive instincts just aren't there.

I watch the games thanks and the no hockey sense because I disagree with you on a player is a childish and pointless insult that really adds nothing to the discussion.

90 percent of what you post on this forum brings nothing to the discussion as you end up doing nothing but defending your posts that nobody agrees with. I think you're stretching the truth with 'lots of people agree with me on many different posts I make'. Unless you're talking about the off topic forum or something.

All I read from you is negativity and it's past the point of tolerability. The youth movement you've been praying for is here and you still manage to bring nothing but pessimism to the discussion.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

90 percent of what you post on this forum brings nothing to the discussion as you end up doing nothing but defending your posts that nobody agrees with. I think you're stretching the truth with 'lots of people agree with me on many different posts I make'. Unless you're talking about the off topic forum or something.

All I read from you is negativity and it's past the point of tolerability. The youth movement you've been praying for is here and you still manage to bring nothing but pessimism to the discussion.

If you want to talk about my posting history feel free to send me a PM and i will gladly talk about it and point out your made up fantasies.

I am not going to discuss this in the PGT where it has nothing to do with the Calgary-Detroit game just played.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Great game for Kipper. Bad game for the organization.

More like bad game for Howard. Two total BS goals is what gave us the win tonight. Detroit is now outside of the top 8 and on the verge of not making the playoffs for the first time in decades.

The Flames are not going to continue winning games under these circumstances. Way too many posters predicting us outside of the bottom 5.

[The Swedish Flame]

Originally Posted by blankall

Detroit is now outside of the top 8 and on the verge of not making the playoffs for the first time in decades.

This pleases me.

[PeteMoss]

Flames are good at home and terrible on the road. They play Anaheim and then a whack of road games. I know everyone thinks that we are the only terrible team that can win games... but relax.

Everyone is pencilling a win at Nashville. Nashville is 10-9-4 at home, we are 5-13-2 on the road.

[Geeoff]

If "Team Tank" is looking for a reason to be happy about this win, you could look to how this greatly increases our chances of having 3 1st round picks this year.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Just boggles my mind how many people are willing to accept a worse team next year and beyond because they think losing 3 or 4 games will magically turn us into the Oilers.

I've said it many times, but people who want to lose deserve nothing else. Also, I didn't say losing a couple extra games would turn us into the Oilers. I said wanting to lose a couple extra games is turning you into an Oilers fan wannabe.

You guys have locked yourself into the truly foolish notion that the only path to success is to finish a season with an abysmally bad place in the standings. There are a lot of words for such thinking, none of them flattering. And anyone with even the slightest clue of how winning teams are built would realize that the difference isn't in whether you draft third or sixth. It is in how you construct your roster, top to bottom. And I have no idea how that fact is so easily lost around here from people who have watched the debacle that has been the Oilers.


Also, you want to know the lesson Begin's goals offer? That hard work and effort is often rewarded. The nature of the goals were certainly fluky, but neither happens if Begin isn't busting his ass to get up the ice and put Howard into a panic.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by blankall

More like bad game for Howard. Two total BS goals is what gave us the win tonight. Detroit is now outside of the top 8 and on the verge of not making the playoffs for the first time in decades.

The Flames are not going to continue winning games under these circumstances. Way too many posters predicting us outside of the bottom 5.

Again, they got an even more bs goal. Gotta see both sides. Flames maybe didn't play way better than Detroit, but we deserved the win

[moon]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

You guys have locked yourself into the truly foolish notion that the only path to success is to finish a season with an abysmally bad place in the standings. There are a lot of words for such thinking, none of them flattering. And anyone with even the slightest clue of how winning teams are built would realize that the difference isn't in whether you draft third or sixth. It is in how you construct your roster, top to bottom. And I have no idea how that fact is so easily lost around here from people who have watched the debacle that has been the Oilers

The difference between drafting 1/2/3 over 5/6/7 certainly helped the Penguins and Hawks win Cups and multiple losing seasons didn't seem to hurt those two teams or the Kings in terms of constructing winners.

I don't think anyone has said that drafting high is the only way to build a team but since this team is drafting high no matter what it seems that it is better to draft the better players and get elite talent when making those draft picks.

[puds]

I would rather see the team "learn" a winning attitude next year with MacKinnon or even the following year with Sam Reinhart on it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Man I hate the Oilers as much as anybody, but they are bad because of a loser GM and President not because the road to drafting in the top 3 created a permanent losing culture or something.

It wasn't the GM and President that were on the ice Saturday night, completely unable or unwilling to give any kind of push-back against the pesky young Flames who embarrassed them when they totally needed and desperately wanted to win.

Losing is a habit. So is winning.