UFA's- who's available this summer

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Signing Tanev to a $1,682,194 AAV offer sheet would only cost a 3rd round pick.

It would nearly force the Canucks to buyout Luongo.

How would Tanev making about $200K more than he otherwise would if the Canucks extend him themselves change anything?

Not to mention, the compensation brackets will drop with the cap next year so the max salary for a 3rd rounder as compensation will be in the $1.5M range.

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Originally Posted by Jake

I said this summer. Next summer looks better for high end UFAs.

This is said every single year. The reason the 2014 UFA class looks good is because they're all ineligible to sign extensions until July. I'm sure in April 2014 that summer's UFA group will look about as underwhelming as this one does.

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Originally Posted by opendoor

How would Tanev making about $200K more than he otherwise would if the Canucks extend him themselves change anything?

Not to mention, the compensation brackets will drop with the cap next year so the max salary for a 3rd rounder as compensation will be in the $1.5M range.

I'd be willing to give up a 2nd rounder + for Tanev.

We should also push up Schroeder's salary to the upper 3rd round pick area.

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Originally Posted by opendoor

This is said every single year. The reason the 2014 UFA class looks good is because they're all ineligible to sign extensions until July. I'm sure in April 2014 that summer's UFA group will look about as underwhelming as this one does.

Yeah, most of the top UFAs (Kessel, Malkin, Stastny, Letang, etc..) will all be re-signed before they hit the UFA market.

2014 does offer a lot of players who will be aging vets by then. Doubt the Flames will be in a position where they need to sign those players though.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Teroy

He's always out of position. He's not strong on the puck. He loses puck battles in our zone. He gets burned to the inside and outside. How does a physically punishing #1 help that?

Originally Posted by Teroy

Sorry but I fail to see how this helps. Besides I'm talking about his defence not his offence. The only place he offers anything is in the offensive zone and only then because he plays the point on power plays. That contribution does not justify 5.25 million dollars in my mind.

The stats don't quite agree with what you are saying. If he is always out of position how does he lead the Flames with 75 blocked shots, good for 19th overall in the NHL?

If he is always "losing puck battles" and "getting burned on the inside and outside" how come he is only a -6? His 19 points put him at 22nd in the league for D men. How you can possibly believe yourself when you say he isn't a first or second line D man is beyond me.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by opendoor

How would Tanev making about $200K more than he otherwise would if the Canucks extend him themselves change anything?

It'd actually be 700K more. But you're right... it won't change their plans (and I assume that they'll buyout Ballard before Luongo) it would inconveinence the Canucks though and I'm down with anything that does that.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Here's a list of RFA Defensemen coming up in the off season. I really can see CGY trying to pry at least one of these players off of a team about to be hit with cap issues.

http://capgeek.com/free-agents/?year...D&fa_type_id=1

Sounds like the flames have to stay under $3.6 million offers to only have the cost be a 2nd. Small chance at Shattenkirk, McDonagh and Alzner. Flames are in no position to be giving up 2014 first round picks.

Fans need to give up on the idea of Pietrangelo. The Blues know they have to spend big money on him and it would take an offer sheet of $7million + to get him out. The huge contract with the loss of a couple of firsts is not worth it. The flames rebuild will take a long time and should not be rushed.

As for forwards on offer sheets, Berglund and Stewart are probably out of the flames price range condsidering the draft picks needed to do it. Maybe Clutterbuck at under $3.6 million could get it done.

Flames need to know exactly which guy they want to target when RFA signings are allowed. They don't get to throw out a bunch of RFA offers and hope that one of them sticks.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I know... buy up the best guys you can this summer on short-term deals and then flip them at the deadline.

Well yes the "covetted" free agents won't accept those terms they'll get better ones. But the guys you buy don't have to be "coveted"... you can buy a middling guy there are lot's of those available. If they have a good year and we're out of it then flip them at the deadline. If they don't... oh well, they're not a longterm committment.

You can't "save" cap space. It can't be banked. We absolutely should use the cap space, it shouldn't just be left fallow... if you leave it vacant then it's a pure waste. That's why I just want short-term deals... actually I'd like 1 year deals (and people will take short-term/1 year deals if the price is right. Alex Semin took one year deals like 3 years in a row, Tanguay took a cheap 1 year redemption deal). With compliance buyout folk and all the regular UFA's there will be people who will take a one year moveable deal with decent $$ attached).

I wouldn't even want Roy... Clarkson and Filppula I'm down with but I'd rather stay away from Roy.

I don't think we really disagree about anything here. If the Flames can get a decent FA on a 1 year contract, that would be great. It is the 4-5 year contracts that I want Feaster to be very careful with. If Feaster throws big money at Clowe for 1 year, I would have no problem with that.

I'm on the fence about Roy. He has been trending down for a couple of years now. On the other hand, Filppula hasn't been very good this season either. Either way, those guys will be sought after and are going to get long 3+ year contracts at substantial cap hits (4+ million). Are either of them worth that commitment? I'm not sure.

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I know he wouldn't be practical, but based on the player alone, Alzner would be the guy I'd want Feaster to target.

Unfortunately, I don't think there's any practical way for Calgary to ge him via offer sheet. But Washington is desperate, so maybe a straight-up trade could be possible...

Would be a great time for Feaster to win a big trade for possibly the first time in his career.

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Originally Posted by Parallex

It'd actually be 700K more. But you're right... it won't change their plans (and I assume that they'll buyout Ballard before Luongo) it would inconveinence the Canucks though and I'm down with anything that does that.

$700K more than he's making now, but they're not going to be able to extend him at his current salary anyway. He's due for a raise.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Anduril

Having a guy like Markov and Price make a big difference...

Subban?

Was reading some advanced stats on Subban, for scoring chance +/- the guy is +30 something.

Meaning that when he's on the ice the Habs have 30 more scoring chances than the other teams. Incredible.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Signing Tanev to a $1,682,194 AAV offer sheet would only cost a 3rd round pick.

It would nearly force the Canucks to buyout Luongo.

Originally Posted by Ashasx

An offer sheet of $3,364,391 AAV would only cost the Flames a 2nd round pick. There may be some vulnerable teams out there.

And it's not like we're going to have that 2nd round pick for long.

Definately agree here, a lot of RFA's I wouldn't mind targetting at $3.3M (Bernier) and a $1.7M for Tanev? Sure.

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

Maybe Clutterbuck at under $3.6 million could get it done.

Yes, please.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by opendoor

This is said every single year. The reason the 2014 UFA class looks good is because they're all ineligible to sign extensions until July. I'm sure in April 2014 that summer's UFA group will look about as underwhelming as this one does.

That is not necessarily true. I'm not looking at the UFA class as a whole, I'm looking for one single standout player. I'd much rather see the Flames spend money on a single elite UFA, which do come up occasionally (Chara, Parise, Suter), than on several lesser ones (Filppula, Weiss, Roy etc... basically everyone in this UFA class). Who knows? There are a ton of big names next year... Bergeron, Callahan, Malkin, Vanek, Kessel, Pavelski, Letang, Brown, Girardi.... maybe one of them looks for a big payday via free agency rather than resigning. Yes, most maybe all of those players will be signed, but if just one makes it to FA those are the types of players you throw big money at and there are no UFAs like that this year IMO.

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I'm hoping the Flames are able to get Filppula out of Detroit. Something like:

Cammalleri-Stajan-Tanguay
Glenncross-Filppula-Hudler
Baertschi-Backlund-Mackinnon
Bouma-Begin-Jackman

Wideman-Giordano
Brodie-???
Breen-Cundari/Smith

Ramo
Berra

Team might actually be fun to watch, not competing for playoffs or anything, but interesting none the less. Toss in some prospects such as Reinhart, Gaudreau, Hanowski, Agostino, Jankowski, Gillies, Brossoit, Wotherspoon, and whoever we draft this year and things aren't looking too too bad after all.

Looking at those line combos might need to add some toughness to that top nine. Getting a guy like Clutterbuck would be huge.