The Official Fire Feaster Thread

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Dion

It's a reason why I dispise NTC - they should be banned.



If Marty St.Louis or Dany Briere can do it, so can Gaudreau. He will need to bulk up like Baertschi has to.



Not sure what that means. Can you clarify your point further?

i agree the owners should have stamped them out in the CBA i have dispised them for years.

Yep i was at a corporate golf event and noticed Theo's thighs were massive. Just like St.Louis they look like speed skaters legs. Physical Freaks and that is what Johhny will have to do the same thing Cammy did build his legs up like a Olympic weightlifter. Thats why they don't get pushed all over the ice. Briere also has the same kind of build.
Right now Johnny has just normal athletic sized legs for a kid his size, but i'm serious Johnny will have to make a huge dedication to creating these tree trunk like legs like the other small men in the NHL have done to be impact players.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

i agree the owners should have stamped them out in the CBA i have dispised them for years.

Yep i was at a corporate golf event and noticed Theo's thighs were massive. Just like St.Louis they look like speed skaters legs. Physical Freaks and that is what Johhny will have to do the same thing Cammy did build his legs up like a Olympic weightlifter. Thats why they don't get pushed all over the ice. Briere also has the same kind of build.
Right now Johnny has just normal athletic sized legs for a kid his size, but i'm serious Johnny will have to make a huge dedication to creating these tree trunk like legs like the other small men in the NHL have done to be impact players.

Good points!

The Flames need to get bigger so other teams don't take liberties on our small forwards. We can't keep drafting small forwards also.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Butler and that career AHL Byron ya great addition to the Flames. Trading away our 2nd was awesome in that deal too.

Just keep making great trades your doing great. EDM, VAN fans just love your fantastic approach to what you consider return value Jay keep it up big boy.

You know that Regehr trade was for the purpose of making room to try and sign Brad Richards, right?

We got the second back and we got a younger, more aggressive Regehr-esque D-man out of it (Sieloff). Besides, Regehr hasn't been much better than Butler right before or after the trade

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

You know that Regehr trade was for the purpose of making room to try and sign Brad Richards, right?

We got the second back and we got a younger, more aggressive Regehr-esque D-man out of it (Sieloff). Besides, Regehr hasn't been much better than Butler right before or after the trade

yep i know that but we traded the second pick we didn't get one. Because of that turd Kotalik we were told, it was a hot mess. Mostly just a mess.

[t0rrent98]

man, enough of this fire feasters sh@t... It was either lose him to ufa or get some prospects back. I highly doubt that IF most of you were in feasters shoes, you'd get a better return than this.

instead most of you would be bent over backwards with how some of these gms work. You should all be glad Darryl Sutter isn't the gm anymore as I fear his return would be similar to the Phaneuf one.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

man, enough of this fire feasters sh@t... It was either lose him to ufa or get some prospects back. I highly doubt that IF most of you were in feasters shoes, you'd get a better return than this.

instead most of you would be bent over backwards with how some of these gms work. You should all be glad Darryl Sutter isn't the gm anymore as I fear his return would be similar to the Phaneuf one.

This is a completely different situation than the Phaneuf trade for both teams involved.

Fact is Feaster got a terrible return, there has never been a player as good as Iginla moved for such a weak package even as a rental. If this, or the Boston offer was the best offer he was able to leverage out of the situation then he is a terrible negotiator and GM's have no respect for him.

I mean, how can he not get the Bruins to give him AT LEAST the same offer they gave up for Kaberle? Especially with the Bruins NEEDING to do something to contend with Pitt (who has beaten them 5 times in a row). The fact that he had those two things working in his favor, and he was still only able to get an underwhelming package from Boston, shows his inability as a GM.

This team needs Brian Burke. Joe Neuiwendyk got a better return for a worse player, and he is considered a terrible GM

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Feaster couldnt win here with some of you guys...he would have left for nothing in 17 meaningless games

Crying now that two no names are better than letting Iginla go for nothing is a lame excuse. Who was so incompetent and blind to let things get to this point?

Iginla should have been traded 2-3 years ago when there was a chance to get a prospect with legit chance to be a top line player and possibly his replacement.

That's what a competent management does, it has enough foresight to replace assets before they depreciate to 0 and then when they sell it off for scrap value they tell you should be happy you got somthing.

[GirlySports]

The owner's like NTC, it's saves them money short-term.

Sure it may handcuff them later on but like owners ever think about the long-term anyways.

[moon]

Not sure what is worse the two guys we got back or the Feaster apologists.

Sure it was tough to deal a guy with limited teams but no reason for the return to be much less than other guys in similar situations and a Maata, Harrington, Bennett should have been coming back in any Pittsburgh deal. Especially after showing how aggressive they were earlier in the week with Morriw and Murray.

People use to make fun of Sutter and his Western Canadians but the US born MCAA BS we have now is much worse.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by moon

Not sure what is worse the two guys we got back or the Feaster apologists.

Sure it was tough to deal a guy with limited teams but no reason for the return to be much less than other guys in similar situations and a Maata, Harrington, Bennett should have been coming back in any Pittsburgh deal. Especially after showing how aggressive they were earlier in the week with Morriw and Murray.

People use to make fun of Sutter and his Western Canadians but the US born MCAA BS we have now is much worse.

I honestly can't see how people can defend him. First the RoR fiasco and now this.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by moon

Not sure what is worse the two guys we got back or the Feaster apologists.

Sure it was tough to deal a guy with limited teams but no reason for the return to be much less than other guys in similar situations and a Maata, Harrington, Bennett should have been coming back in any Pittsburgh deal. Especially after showing how aggressive they were earlier in the week with Morriw and Murray.

People use to make fun of Sutter and his Western Canadians but the US born MCAA BS we have now is much worse.

You know it's a tough day when you agree with every single one of moon's post.

[RedMileDJ]

No matter what the return would have been for Iggy, I'm sure people would still want Feaster's head on a stick. Jebus...

I prefer to see what happens. I'm glad we got the pick. I'm looking forward to seeing these kids.

[Vinny01]

I went to bed right after the press conference woke up so pissed off. I can't believe Feaster traded Iggy for the 26-30th pick and a couple of no names. He seriously couldn't get Maata, Pouliot, Despres, Harrington, or Drumulin? Not one of those 5 highly regarded D prospects?

This is like the Flames trading Bill Arnold, John Ramage and our 2nd in 2013 for St. Louis or Joe Thornton as rentals. Just garbage

The RoR fiasco, building an uber soft team, and horribly mis-managing our best asset should result in Feaster being fired immediately

[SoCalFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by moon

Maata, Harrington, Bennett s

Assuming that Pittsburgh would even trade those players. You can only trade for what the market will bare. You can talk all you want about the Morrow for Morrow deal, but Joe Morrow's stock is in the toilet as he's not panning out as well as his draft position would indicate. Pitt was selling high.

Secondly, there is no reason to think that the Flames targeted Agostino and Hanowski - as they think they're better prospects than those quoted above - or that they can get a better prospect at the tail end of the first this year than those players.

To me, if the Bruins rumors were correct, Feaster did a much better job getting this Pitt deal, even if the prospects seem lesser, because of the actual 1st versus the conditional 1st.

[moon]

Originally Posted by SoCalFlamesFan

Assuming that Pittsburgh would even trade those players. You can only trade for what the market will bare. You can talk all you want about the Morrow for Morrow deal, but Joe Morrow's stock is in the toilet as he's not panning out as well as his draft position would indicate. Pitt was selling high.

Secondly, there is no reason to think that the Flames targeted Agostino and Hanowski - as they think they're better prospects than those quoted above - or that they can get a better prospect at the tail end of the first this year than those players.

To me, if the Bruins rumors were correct, Feaster did a much better job getting this Pitt deal, even if the prospects seem lesser, because of the actual 1st versus the conditional 1st.

Tough to believe that with 3 teams making offers and how aggressive Pittsburgh has been that one of those guys couldn't have been worked in.

It isn't like Harrington is a future stud or Maata is panning out any better than Morrow.

Sure not easy to get them thrown in but this trade was never going to be easy.

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by moon

Not sure what is worse the two guys we got back or the Feaster apologists.

Sure it was tough to deal a guy with limited teams but no reason for the return to be much less than other guys in similar situations and a Maata, Harrington, Bennett should have been coming back in any Pittsburgh deal. Especially after showing how aggressive they were earlier in the week with Morriw and Murray.

People use to make fun of Sutter and his Western Canadians but the US born MCAA BS we have now is much worse.

Only positive I am trying to cling to is that we as a franchise were at our peak with a bunch of NCAA guy's.

[Dorkmaster]

Originally Posted by moon

Tough to believe that with 3 teams making offers and how aggressive Pittsburgh has been that one of those guys couldn't have been worked in.

It isn't like Harrington is a future stud or Maata is panning out any better than Morrow.

Sure not easy to get them thrown in but this trade was never going to be easy.

Sounds like there were rumours from Pens that Morrow fell out of favour with the organization. Also we don't know how the scouts view Agostino vs Harrington or Maata. Still I agree with you that I feel the Flames settled for way too little. I guess it'll play itself out over the next few years, but right now feeling kinda bitter. At least none of this conditional first BS that was going around.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

Only positive I am trying to cling to is that we as a franchise were at our peak with a bunch of NCAA guy's.

Back then basically nobody but Fletcher paid attention to the NCAA and we got all the best players. Now everyone pays just as much attention as they do to any other league and we have no advantage - aside from a GM who seems to believe a small, fast, semi-skilled, American born, NCAA raised team is the ticket to a dynasty.

[kipperfan]

10th and 12th ranked prospect in the Pens system and the (likely) 30th overall pick? Can we please bring Burke in now? Sign off, give him whatever control he is looking for and bring him the hell in. If a single person here believes Jay Feaster is rising this franchise from the ashes I have some land to sell you in Florida.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I don't think Feaster deserves all the blame for the mediocre return. The NMC really made things difficult to create a real market for Iginla. That said, if trading Iginla was the ultimate result he really should have done so at least two years ago to maximize the value. Ray Shero played this thing perfectly and if Feaster can be half the GM Shero is the Flames might have a chance going forward.