NRA calls for armed police officers in all U.S. schools

[Thor]

From an NRA guy who jumped into a friends debate about gun control.

I am an Law Enforcement NRA Instructor, and NRA civilian Pistol Instructor, NRA In the Home Protection Instructor, a SWAT Instructor, a Florida State Wide Firearms Instructor, and a Retired Federal Officer and that is still the goal of the NRA “making gun owners better marksmen, more responsible with handling, storing and basically making the country a safer place.” It always has been and will continue. I do it weekly.

Yes the NRA is a Powerful Lobby as is rightly necessary to ensure that US Citizen rights are not infringed upon.

I don't believe that in this day and age any Gun Ban is wise. Especially not the so-called Assault Rifles because in truth Americans do not have them readily accessible to them.

As "An assault rifle is a select-fire (either fully automatic or burst capable) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. Assault rifles are the standard service rifles in most modern armies. Assault rifles are categorized in between light machine guns, which are intended more for sustained automatic fire in a light support role, and submachine guns, which fire a pistol cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge."

As civilians most of us do not have these. So what they are discussing here is a total farce and an out right lie they are trying to push on the American public.

Not to mention exploiting these tragic deaths to push forward their agenda of chipping away the rights guaranteed in The Constitution the USA.

It also appears that want to take it further this time and start paving the way to eliminate freedom of speech and next will be religion.

The 2nd Amendment of The Bill of Rights was included in there at the founding of The US for a reason. It was to insure that The American System could continue on.

It has nothing or ever had anything to do with hunting rights.

As far as loop holes at the gun shows or anywhere that should not be banned either. There should be no list of who has guns in the US anywhere. It’s actually against the Law to have that type of database in Florida.

If a person does not want to have gun it is there right but don't tread on the rights of those who want to insure the Founding Fathers wishes and exercise their rights as American to protect themselves in the process.

I train Lawful Citizens, Military, and Law Enforcement Officers all who are very Pro Gun and very much against any restrictions on ownership of any sort to include type, caliber, or magazine capacity. As is evident that the majority of Americans do as well being that they have cleaned out everything in shops nationwide.

Because a ban only is aimed at lawful ownership since it is already illegal to commit mass homicide and as you can see making it illegal did not stop the person from doing it.

The true fear lays really at not being able to force the will of the ruling on the citizens. That's why the 2nd Amendment is in The Bill of Rights. I can train an expert marksman it an hour.

[Minnie]

I can train an expert marksman it an hour.

Oh bullpucky he could.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

The volunteers would be well respected members of the cummunity that would be properly trained.

I think your idea about better security is a good one...more cameras, better locking system, doors etc.

Please define properly trained for me because I'm curious. And because there are probably millions of schools in the States who's going to absorb the costs of this training.

but I want to know since you opened this up.

What is properly trained?

What is the vetting process?

Who pays the costs of this training?

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

The volunteers would be well respected members of the cummunity that would be properly trained.

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I could totally go for some hot male porn stars being guards at the school but I'm not sure all the parents would feel the same....

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Thor

From an NRA guy who jumped into a friends debate about gun control.

So the status quo because its working so well.

And to me at this point you could define a assault rifle as a semi automatic, magazine fed with military quality sighting. The fact that he's talking about fully auto and 3 round burst is irrelevant.

If you squeeze the trigger does it automatically put another round in battery?

And the whole, registration lists are unconstitutional and gun show purchases are our rights. The guy is a moron.

And I doubt that he can train a marksman in a hour. Even with Military training it takes a while to train a marksman. The guy is an idiot and a blow hard.

You hate to wish ill on anyone, but I'd be curious to see if any of the kids that were murdered had parents who are members of the NRA, and I'm wondering what they think of 2nd amendment rights now?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

The volunteers would be well respected members of the cummunity that would be properly trained.

I think your idea about better security is a good one...more cameras, better locking system, doors etc.

Well respected members of the community (I think cummunity would be a great porn satire by the way) who don't have jobs or responsibilities on weekdays and who would rather donate their time to sitting in an elementary school for days at a time clutching their gun in the minuscule chance that an armed gunman will saunter through the door, right in front of where he/she is so he can stop them. You may get a bunch of people saying it is a good idea at first but within the first month that number will be lower and then within the year it will be almost nil.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Please define properly trained for me because I'm curious. And because there are probably millions of schools in the States who's going to absorb the costs of this training.

but I want to know since you opened this up.

What is properly trained?

What is the vetting process?

Who pays the costs of this training?

Admittedly the training would take a considerable amount of time, depending on how much prior experience the individual had. Perhaps the trainers could volunteer some time.

The candidates could be ex police, military, firemen, geologists, engineers, lawyers, judges, bank managers, priests, ministers, etc.

[Montana Moe]

As a retired Marine and current firefighter, I'd be happy to pull some security shifts at my kids' school in exchange for free tuition. That #### is expensive!

I suppose I'd have to get a gun first.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Admittedly the training would take a considerable amount of time, depending on how much prior experience the individual had. Perhaps the trainers could volunteer some time.

The candidates could be ex police, military, firemen, geologists, engineers, lawyers, judges, bank managers, priests, ministers, etc.

So all those geologists, engineers, lawyers, judges and bank managers who are at work in order to pay bills and household expenses are going to give up their careers in order to sit at an elementary school all day. I thought that armed guards was a stupid idea, armed volunteers makes that look like a great use of social resources. Fact is that there isn't a body of 100,000 + of these people doing nothing.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

So all those geologists, engineers, lawyers, judges and bank managers who are at work in order to pay bills and household expenses are going to give up their careers in order to sit at an elementary school all day. I thought that armed guards was a stupid idea, armed volunteers makes that look like a great use of social resources. Fact is that there isn't a body of 100,000 + of these people doing nothing.

We currently have the highest percentage of retired people in history i.e. the boomers, and you say we don't have anyone to contribute. It doesn't have to be full time...just a day here and there, among a group of individuals.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Thor

From an NRA guy who jumped into a friends debate about gun control.

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I am an Law Enforcement NRA Instructor, and NRA civilian Pistol Instructor, NRA In the Home Protection Instructor, a SWAT Instructor, a Florida State Wide Firearms Instructor, and a Retired Federal Officer and that is still the goal of the NRA “making gun owners better marksmen, more responsible with handling, storing and basically making the country a safer place.” It always has been and will continue. I do it weekly.

Yes the NRA is a Powerful Lobby as is rightly necessary to ensure that US Citizen rights are not infringed upon.

I don't believe that in this day and age any Gun Ban is wise. Especially not the so-called Assault Rifles because in truth Americans do not have them readily accessible to them.

As "An assault rifle is a select-fire (either fully automatic or burst capable) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. Assault rifles are the standard service rifles in most modern armies. Assault rifles are categorized in between light machine guns, which are intended more for sustained automatic fire in a light support role, and submachine guns, which fire a pistol cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge."

As civilians most of us do not have these. So what they are discussing here is a total farce and an out right lie they are trying to push on the American public.

Not to mention exploiting these tragic deaths to push forward their agenda of chipping away the rights guaranteed in The Constitution the USA.

It also appears that want to take it further this time and start paving the way to eliminate freedom of speech and next will be religion.

The 2nd Amendment of The Bill of Rights was included in there at the founding of The US for a reason. It was to insure that The American System could continue on.

It has nothing or ever had anything to do with hunting rights.

As far as loop holes at the gun shows or anywhere that should not be banned either. There should be no list of who has guns in the US anywhere. It’s actually against the Law to have that type of database in Florida.

If a person does not want to have gun it is there right but don't tread on the rights of those who want to insure the Founding Fathers wishes and exercise their rights as American to protect themselves in the process.

I train Lawful Citizens, Military, and Law Enforcement Officers all who are very Pro Gun and very much against any restrictions on ownership of any sort to include type, caliber, or magazine capacity. As is evident that the majority of Americans do as well being that they have cleaned out everything in shops nationwide.

Because a ban only is aimed at lawful ownership since it is already illegal to commit mass homicide and as you can see making it illegal did not stop the person from doing it.

The true fear lays really at not being able to force the will of the ruling on the citizens. That's why the 2nd Amendment is in The Bill of Rights. I can train an expert marksman it an hour.

I don't believe the word database is in the Bill of Rights, but if a firearms database is illegal in Florida, the nation should follow their lead. I think it says "The Only Crime Free State in The Union" right on their license plates.

That is also pretty impressive that he can train an expert marksman in an hour.

[Ozy_Flame]

^^^ Hmmm, eliminate religion? Tell me more!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

We currently have the highest percentage of retired people in history i.e. the boomers, and you say we don't have anyone to contribute. It doesn't have to be full time...just a day here and there, among a group of individuals.

Are you really comprehending what you are proposing here?

You are talking about asking for volunteers with guns to walk around schools.

Don't you think maybe there are few other things that can be done before we send volunteers with guns in there?

This is effing lunacy.

"Hmm, what can we do to stop the lunatics from shooting the children? Well, we can't make it harder for them to get high-powered weapons. We can't even ask them for their name at the gun store. Instead, lets put a retired geologist in the schoolhouse with the children to protect them from the suicidal guy with an AR-15. That should cover it".

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

We currently have the highest percentage of retired people in history i.e. the boomers, and you say we don't have anyone to contribute. It doesn't have to be full time...just a day here and there, among a group of individuals.

So you would want to train roughly 500,000 seniors (based on one day a week for every school in the States) to be geriatric cowboys in schools. Relying on volunteers is about as bad idea as you can get.

[DuffMan]

How about expert marksmen/SWAT midgets packing heat in every school, masquerading as 6 year olds?

[Thor]

I asked him about the taking away our rights, then our religion.. He posted this video in response, so know we know what he is

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

So you would want to train roughly 500,000 seniors (based on one day a week for every school in the States) to be geriatric cowboys in schools. Relying on volunteers is about as bad idea as you can get.

Would it make you happy if these guys were paid?

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

So you would want to train roughly 500,000 seniors (based on one day a week for every school in the States) to be geriatric cowboys in schools. Relying on volunteers is about as bad idea as you can get.

There would be a huge glut of Walmart greeters jobs opening up.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Would it make you happy if these guys were paid?

It would make me happy if people were talking about realistic solutions to a problem of an increasingly entrenched gun culture in the states. This includes an examination into mental health services offered (not a register of anyone with a mental health issue - something which is the most offensive "solution" to date), an honest appraisal of inequalities that exist in society, as well as looking at strengthening gun laws so that safety measures such as trigger locks for existing weapons and proper storage are heavily legislated and increasingly restrictions on current weapons sales in combination with gun buy-back programs.

I think that putting armed guards in elementary schools is a foolish, expensive, knee-jerk reaction based on the horrors of a single tragedy and would do little to actually work towards protecting society and would actually serve to normalize guns and weapons around children, which I don't think is good at all.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Thor

I asked him about the taking away our rights, then our religion.. He posted this video in response, so know we know what he is

God Guts and Guns...

Of course Jesus would be a NRA member if he were here today