First nations will blockade roads as part of 'Idle No More' protest

[Dion]

Any support the Attawaspikat might have had is probably gone.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Kananaskis04

http://www.globalnews.ca/global+news...553/story.html

Loved the attention on the fake hunger strike. Not so much when a major accounting firm calls BS on your finances.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

This only applies to a few reserves in Alberta that get oil money. Most reserve members get $5 a year on Treaty Day but carry on with your bogus argument made of bogus facts.

Do you have a link that supports this claim?

It sounds like an amount from the original Treaties; I'm pretty sure they have been adjusted for inflation.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Dion

Any support the Attawaspikat might have had is probably gone.

The two biggest supporters on my FB feed have gone radio silence on Spence, Attawapiskat, and Idle No More in the past 3 days. Can't say as I miss being slagged off for not supporting the movement.

[CaptainCrunch]

the audit is truly damning especially when you get 6 figure consulting fees cut to anonymous people and a 7 figure real estate deal with no buyers name and no information on what was bought.

Missing 80% of documents when transactions like above isn't incompetence, its pretty much criminal.

Spence is now getting a lot of egg on her face and is starting to look bad, maybe this hunger strike is turning into a disaster for her which would be good.

Her smartest move would be not to show up at the PM meeting.

[1stLand]

The APTN network's website #idlenomore section hasn't been updated since the audit was released.
Before, there were new blog posts and news articles every day.

If I was aboriginal, I would be ashamed to have Chief Spence on tv.

1. She isn't looking like she is losing weight on her so called hunger strike or suffering

2. Audit Report is damning evidence of her corruption

3. The fact that she gave a direct order to have Global National Reporters kicked off her reserve and had the police threaten to arrest them.

Chief Spence has a PR nightmare on her hands.

The average Canadian is no longer smpathetic to her cause, and the average Canadian is now starting to question how their tax dollars are used on Reserves.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Do you have a link that supports this claim?

It sounds like an amount from the original Treaties; I'm pretty sure they have been adjusted for inflation.

my families band in Ontario gets less than $2 a year

[prarieboy]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

The APTN network's website #idlenomore section hasn't been updated since the audit was released.
Before, there were new blog posts and news articles every day.

If I was aboriginal, I would be ashamed to have Chief Spence on tv.

1. She isn't looking like she is losing weight on her so called hunger strike or suffering

2. Audit Report is damning evidence of her corruption

3. The fact that she gave a direct order to have Global National Reporters kicked off her reserve and had the police threaten to arrest them.

Chief Spence has a PR nightmare on her hands.

The average Canadian is no longer smpathetic to her cause, and the average Canadian is now starting to question how their tax dollars are used on Reserves.

I think every Canadian has a right to question how tax dollars are spent on reserves. While no two reserves are the same some are able to prosper and others whither. Is it mis management of the available funds?
Geographical location surely plays a part but with significant dollars flowing in there seems to be no reason to me that any reserve should be in squalor like conditions.

If they are you'd better have a good explanation.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Do you have a link that supports this claim?

It sounds like an amount from the original Treaties; I'm pretty sure they have been adjusted for inflation.

You're wrong. Don't need a link. It's five bucks.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Do you have a link that supports this claim?

It sounds like an amount from the original Treaties; I'm pretty sure they have been adjusted for inflation.

It's funny how you don't ask captain crunch to support his claim but I'm a nice guy so here you are.

Treaty Days reminder of how Canada was built



Spring in Indian country means Treaty Days, with a government treaty party travelling from community to community.



By The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) June 20, 2008




Spring in Indian country means Treaty Days, with a government treaty party travelling from community to community.
The scene at each stop is essentially the same. People gather at the band hall or some other appropriate place and receive their annual treaty pay -- a princely sum of $5.
It's a time-honoured ceremony. You walk up to the Indian Agent or his equivalent, and he/she checks off your name and passes a $5 bill to an RCMP member dressed in formal red serge. The RCMP officer than passes the money to you and shakes your hand.

http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarp...8-3795ae32e57e

[Slava]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

The APTN network's website #idlenomore section hasn't been updated since the audit was released.
Before, there were new blog posts and news articles every day.

If I was aboriginal, I would be ashamed to have Chief Spence on tv.

1. She isn't looking like she is losing weight on her so called hunger strike or suffering

2. Audit Report is damning evidence of her corruption

3. The fact that she gave a direct order to have Global National Reporters kicked off her reserve and had the police threaten to arrest them.

Chief Spence has a PR nightmare on her hands.

The average Canadian is no longer smpathetic to her cause, and the average Canadian is now starting to question how their tax dollars are used on Reserves.

I know its pointless, but I'll try again. Idle No More and Chief Spence are not synonymous. Idle No More began about a month before her hunger strike. In fact if you look into INM you will see that there are quite a few "rank and file" natives who don't want the Chiefs speaking for them as they're not pleased with how things have operated. That's a generalization, but I think in the article I posted a few pages back there are comments to that effect as well.

Its a shame. We all know that the reserve situation isn't good, but rather than consider meaningful discussions or an attempt at progress the entire effort gets cast aside because of a suspiciously timed audit release.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Do you have a link that supports this claim?

It sounds like an amount from the original Treaties; I'm pretty sure they have been adjusted for inflation.

No link but I can support that it is true. Treaty money is $5 flat, not increases for inflation.

There is additional funds of course, but they are not treaty funds.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

He's doing what my dad did in the 70's, he bought a bunch of waitress order pads when he was on the road and would right up his own expenses.

That is genius.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So what the benifits of have your treat status then?

Serious question.

As far as I know it's basic medical, dental and eye care plus some tax benefits and sometimes educational grants. If you live on the reserve you should get free housing if it's available.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

It's funny how you don't ask captain crunch to support his claim but I'm a nice guy so here you are.



http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarp...8-3795ae32e57e

You also didn't address his accusation though - he said that people get paid out when they turn 18, you turned it around and said the most they get is $5 a day on Treaty day.

Two completely different points.

BTW I've heard lots of rumors about how Aboriginals get XXX amount of dollars when they turn 18, but I don't pretend to know if it is fact or not.

The problem with a lot of Aboriginal debates (this is NOT limited to this board either) is that not a lot of people have all the information.

It generally boils down to this:

Person A: Passive-Aggressive, Off the cuff comment about Aboriginals receiving benefits, or not working, etc.
Person B: Thinly veiled insinuation that person on the other side is racist and doesn't have all the facts and should 'get educated'.

Both sides have some blame.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

You also didn't address his accusation though - he said that people get paid out when they turn 18, you turned it around and said the most they get is $5 a day on Treaty day.

Two completely different points.

BTW I've heard lots of rumors about how Aboriginals get XXX amount of dollars when they turn 18, but I don't pretend to know if it is fact or not.

The problem with a lot of Aboriginal debates (this is NOT limited to this board either) is that not a lot of people have all the information.

It generally boils down to this:

Person A: Passive-Aggressive, Off the cuff comment about Aboriginals receiving benefits, or not working, etc.
Person B: Thinly veiled insinuation that person on the other side is racist and doesn't have all the facts and should 'get educated'.

Both sides have some blame.

I think there are huge variations between different bands as well. I was watching a news article on a shooting in Hobemma a few years ago, and the girl said she got $234k when she turned 18. That's not the case for every reserve, clearly.

I knew guys in school from a couple different reserves and some got about $1500-1800/month for rent and expenses while going to school whereas others got nothing. It just depends on which reserve I guess, and how well off that band is as well.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

You also didn't address his accusation though - he said that people get paid out when they turn 18, you turned it around and said the most they get is $5 a day on Treaty day.

Two completely different points.

BTW I've heard lots of rumors about how Aboriginals get XXX amount of dollars when they turn 18, but I don't pretend to know if it is fact or not.

The problem with a lot of Aboriginal debates (this is NOT limited to this board either) is that not a lot of people have all the information.

It generally boils down to this:

Person A: Passive-Aggressive, Off the cuff comment about Aboriginals receiving benefits, or not working, etc.
Person B: Thinly veiled insinuation that person on the other side is racist and doesn't have all the facts and should 'get educated'.

Both sides have some blame.

Sure I addressed his accusation. I said it was only on reserves in Alberta that receive oil money. The vast majority of natives receive $5/year.

As for the "all the information" argument, I don't profess to be that person but when posters repeat lies to back up their argument, I speak up. If you think that's making them out to be racist, that's your problem.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by icecube

You're wrong. Don't need a link. It's five bucks.

Yes, apparently I was. Thanks for being so tactful in your answer.

Originally Posted by Vulcan

It's funny how you don't ask captain crunch to support his claim but I'm a nice guy so here you are.

He has mostly been posting numbers from the Bands' own financials and from the recently released external audit.
Both of which I've spent a great deal of time reviewing, so I know where I can go to verify (and have).

http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarp...8-3795ae32e57e

I didn't realized the amount remained the same as per the Treaties.

An erroneous assumption on my part that you have cleared up. Thank you.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Slava

I know its pointless, but I'll try again. Idle No More and Chief Spence are not synonymous. Idle No More began about a month before her hunger strike. In fact if you look into INM you will see that there are quite a few "rank and file" natives who don't want the Chiefs speaking for them as they're not pleased with how things have operated. That's a generalization, but I think in the article I posted a few pages back there are comments to that effect as well.

Its a shame. We all know that the reserve situation isn't good, but rather than consider meaningful discussions or an attempt at progress the entire effort gets cast aside because of a suspiciously timed audit release.

I've been on some Idle no more pages that talk a lot about supporting Spence, I've been on some that don't mention her, I saw one that in a nice way said hey we're not with her.

The suspiciously timed audit results wasn't so suspiciously timed, at the time in the news story of Spence booting the government administrator and agreeing to this audit that the government and Deloitte both indicated that the audit would be released at the start of the new year.

I think the suspicious timing is when Spence decided to do her hunger strike, it could be just as well that she knew she was screwed and was trying in a clumsy way to deflect criticism.

[CaptainCrunch]

In terms of Vulcan, I will be the first to admit I'm wrong, and I was basing my information off of information that I'd received about Natives in this province receiving 25k on their 18th birthday. The intent of the post wasn't to deceive but to agree with a previous post that the right answer might not be handing checks out with no expectation or oversight or help.

I know Vulcan called me out fairly harshly, but I was wrong and I probably deserved a slap in the face.

Edit, however I will also add on that the information from the audit the for example $306,000 in consulting fees with no backing documentation and no information on the individual that it went to, and the 1.1 million dollar real estate deal with no information on the property purchased and the seller are all discussed in the audit and also in media sources, so I'm not going to back down on the audit information, and the mere feeling that the result of the audit isn't due to a lack of education on Spence and her boyfriends part but a sense of fairly deliberate actions of corruption.