I'm not worried, The Hobbit will be a masterpiece. Jackson has too much respect as a fan himself of Tolkien's work to make a mockery of it.
I personally can't wait to see the visualization of the journey through the Mirkwood forest on film.
This is what I'm saying. Jackson has already shown that he'll stay true to the story and the vision and wont compromise for anything even if he has to buy New Zealand to do it.
He also probably has studio carte blanche, so hes not going to be forced to do anything stupid.
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This is what I'm saying. Jackson has already shown that he'll stay true to the story and the vision and wont compromise for anything even if he has to buy New Zealand to do it.
He also probably has studio carte blanche, so hes not going to be forced to do anything stupid.
exactly why I agree .
Jackson is not going to sell out and have action, action action with little substance. This is going to be as what it should be, a cinematic complement to a legendary book.
Too many Tolkien fans on movie forums, unlike yourself are seriously worried that this is going to be stretched out to make 3 movies. Instead of realizing that by making 3 movies for the Hobbit that actually the story will be told properly.
The immaculate details that Tolkien's Hobbit was crafted will be equaled on film.
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I haven't read them in several years but weren't the appendices in the LOTR books?
The hobbit was a fairly short story. Unless they are planning on going into some of the background history before the Hobbit story took place that was detailed in the LOTR appendices, the Silmarillion, etc. That would be cool but it might be a little much to follow.
As for material written by Jackson, hopefully they keep that to a minimum.
Yes, but the appendices described stuff that was going on around the time of the Hobbit (like what Gandalf was doing when he'd leave the dwarves for days at a time). It was this whole way that Tolkien integrated The Hobbit and LotR together.
Here's what I anticipate:
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Start with Gandalf and the rest of the White Council. There were rumours of a nazgul in Dol Guldar, but Gandalf suspects that it is infact Sauron returned. This beginning allows the setting of the time and story in context of LotR. Gandalf goes to explore, and his suspicions are confirmed, he finds evidence of Sauron, but he also finds Thrain II imprisoned there. Before dying Thrain gives him the map and key for Erebor (Lonely Mountain).
Gandalf meets with the White Council again, they discuss the whole missing ring situation, and the problem that Sauron and Smaug could form a powerful allegiance. Gandalf's concerns are largely dismissed by Saruman.
Gandalf has a chance meeting with Thorin Oakenshield, shows him the map, and gives him the idea for the quest to reclaim Lonely Mountain.
Story of the Hobbit progresses pretty-much as told at this point. I'd expect the first movie to maybe end around the time that the eagles rescue the company from the Orcs and Wargs.
Second movie probably deals with the journey through typical hobbit plots of mirkwood, the elves, the lake-men, and Bilbo meeting Smaug. Smaug might be killed at the end of the second movie, or it might be left until the beginning of the third.
The second movie will probably also set up the White Council's attack on Dol Guldar. We'll probably see Saruman's motivations, which Gandalf isn't even aware of until Two Towers. The attack on Dol Guldar itself will probably be in whichever movie the death of Smaug is not in. If the attack on Dol Guldar ends the second, the fight with Smaug probably starts #3, and vice versa. I also suspect that Sauron will be present in some form when the attack on Dol Guldar happens (in the book, he had already withdrawn to Mordor).
Third movie will center on the events leading up-to and the resolution of the battle of the five armies, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a footnote involving Gollum leaving the mountains to search for the ring, and Aragorn searching for Gollum.
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Start with Gandalf and the rest of the White Council. There were rumours of a nazgul in Dol Guldar, but Gandalf suspects that it is infact Sauron returned. This beginning allows the setting of the time and story in context of LotR. Gandalf goes to explore, and his suspicions are confirmed, he finds evidence of Sauron, but he also finds Thrain II imprisoned there. Before dying Thrain gives him the map and key for Erebor (Lonely Mountain).
Gandalf meets with the White Council again, they discuss the whole missing ring situation, and the problem that Sauron and Smaug could form a powerful allegiance. Gandalf's concerns are largely dismissed by Saruman.
Gandalf has a chance meeting with Thorin Oakenshield, shows him the map, and gives him the idea for the quest to reclaim Lonely Mountain.
Story of the Hobbit progresses pretty-much as told at this point. I'd expect the first movie to maybe end around the time that the eagles rescue the company from the Orcs and Wargs.
Second movie probably deals with the journey through typical hobbit plots of mirkwood, the elves, the lake-men, and Bilbo meeting Smaug. Smaug might be killed at the end of the second movie, or it might be left until the beginning of the third.
The second movie will probably also set up the White Council's attack on Dol Guldar. We'll probably see Saruman's motivations, which Gandalf isn't even aware of until Two Towers. The attack on Dol Guldar itself will probably be in whichever movie the death of Smaug is not in. If the attack on Dol Guldar ends the second, the fight with Smaug probably starts #3, and vice versa. I also suspect that Sauron will be present in some form when the attack on Dol Guldar happens (in the book, he had already withdrawn to Mordor).
Third movie will center on the events leading up-to and the resolution of the battle of the five armies, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a footnote involving Gollum leaving the mountains to search for the ring, and Aragorn searching for Gollum.
I hope you are right, that would be a real bonus to the fans of the books. I'm not sure that they will go into that kind of detail personally. The LOTR movies skipped over some pretty big chunks of the story, especially the first book. I'm assuming that the movies will be very good regardless.
I wonder if we'll get some story showing the fall of the dwarves in the mines of Moria?
That would be awesome. Even though I feel like I have a pretty good handle on what's going to be in there, I hope Jackson's got a couple 'OMG, I can't believe we get to see this!' moments, like going back and showing Gandalf vs. Balrog in Two Towers.
I didn't think the fall of the Dwarves in Moria was protrayed in the Hobbit, rather just them going through without any kind of foreshadowing. I could be wrong. It has been a while since I read the book.
I am not sure what people are saying about him staying true to the vision of the books, he did stray some in Fellowship of the Ring. And Two Towers and Return of the King seemed oriented on cinematography of grand battle scenes and swooping shots over New Zealand. I know that's exaggeration, but whenever I see that in a film, I think "why bother? that time could have been spent on story, not making me want to visit the sites of LoTR".
We need an Ent spin-off, and we need it to be an epic 9 hour trilogy, primarily of the Ents wavering in the wind and waking up once in a while to sneeze. And it better in HD.
I didn't think the fall of the Dwarves in Moria was protrayed in the Hobbit, rather just them going through without any kind of foreshadowing. I could be wrong. It has been a while since I read the book.
I am not sure what people are saying about him staying true to the vision of the books, he did stray some in Fellowship of the Ring. And Two Towers and Return of the King seemed oriented on cinematography of grand battle scenes and swooping shots over New Zealand. I know that's exaggeration, but whenever I see that in a film, I think "why bother? that time could have been spent on story, not making me want to visit the sites of LoTR".
I'm not sure if you are confusing Goblin-town with Moria?
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Looks to be as epic, if not more epic, than the Rings trilogy.
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Well, even though it's just a trailer, it looks like they absolutely nailed the tone. Adventure, humour, and a bit of foreboding about what lies ahead. Of course, the tone in this one should be lighter than the next two, just as Fellowship was much lighter than the 2nd and 3rd of that trilogy.
Also cool to get a glimpse of Radagast here, but was that a sled pulled by giant rabbits?
It seems weird that Radagast has even a part in this movie, wasn't he only mentioned in The Hobbit? This is maybe making up for him being cut out of LOTR? Either way I am happy I always found him to be an intriguing character.
I think I am going to re read The Hobbit before this movie, its been too many years.
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