2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Stupid

They're talking about what he's costing in that role, not his performace alone.

The cost is mostly irrelevant as his cap hit hasn't hurt the team's ability to do anything yet.

[wingmaker]

Yeah, many contracts before Stajan's that can be pointed to as being problematic. I agree Stajan is overpaid, but it is not nearly as egregious as many other contracts on the roster.

[Poe969]

If you could get rid of any one contract on the team, it'd be foolish to get rid of Stajan over some of the others. His contract isn't the best but he's a good 3rd or 4th line center who adds a veteran presence.

I still have a funny feeling that Wideman will either be dealt at the deadline or the draft. I think getting rid of Smid has to be one of the top jobs.

As long as the team doesn't give out any bad contracts this summer, they'll be doing fine after next year.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Ramo settled things down on the goaltending front for a while, then he went down and we're right back at square goddamn one, early October to November 2015. Flipping back and forth between two blah's in Hiller and Ortio. If the Flames still feel like the playoffs are a realistic hope, then they're chasing goalies.

I like Ramo. Once he gets in a groove, he can sustain it for a while.

But he isn't elite at the NHL and will rarely steal games. He gives a good team a chance, but not a lot of wiggle room for error.

I think we should try to do better, but I have no issue in re-signing him if whoever the would-be replacement is, is not a clear upgrade. Especially considering most free agents get grossly overpaid.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This all not considering that Stajan only has one season left on his contract.

The reason why Howard's contract really hurts is that it cripples our chances of re-signing our young core long-term.

Stajan's contract doesn't.

Stajan has 2 more years after this season, while Howard has 3.

Originally Posted by Ashasx

In what league does Howard make the Flames a playoff team?

I don't believe he does, but that's missing the point. Ramo does not make us a playoff team, and neither will Reimer (and he's likely to cost 4.5M+). Is there a UFA goaltender that makes us a playoff team? I don't see one, and I don't want to pay the cost to acquire via trade.

What I'm saying is... I don't want to sign an average UFA goaltender this summer to an inflated UFA dollar amount, when I believe we could instead trade for a goaltender who is every bit as capable, and likely dump 1 or more of our undesirable contracts in the process.

Who do you propose we start in goal next season?

[VladtheImpaler]

N/m

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Since1984

Are you expecting Burke to leave soon?

It was his last move as interim GM, and one he should've left to his successor. So yes it was a parting present.

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Yes, because Matt Stajan and his 4th line centre role has been the issue this year.

Agreed, he's been terrible and part of problem. Glad we're on the same page.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by codynw

The cost is mostly irrelevant as his cap hit hasn't hurt the team's ability to do anything yet.

Arguable.

Given that the Flames will need to part with one or (more likely) more pending UFAs as a result of anticipated pay increases to certain players, you can make the reasonable argument that overpaying Stajan has contributed to the conditions that prevents the Flames from icing the best possible roster next season

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Yes, because Matt Stajan and his 4th line centre role has been the issue this year.

I don't think anyone can solely blame Stajan for the team's performance, but if Trevy got a deal on the table to part with Stajan without having to add any futures or assets, I would hope that Trevy executes such a deal.

In the cap world guys like Stajan now have to be replaced by ELCs.

[MissTeeks]

Coyotes down another goalie:

Dave Vest – ‏@davest4yotes

Per Don Maloney: #Coyotes goalie Anders Lindback suffered an injury to Achilles' tendon last night and is out indefinitely

[Poe969]

Send them Hiller and see if Ortio can run with it. It wouldn't be considered a tank...just a learning experience!

[MarkGio]

Interesting. Since they're 4 points back from a wildcard spot and desperately need the playoffs revenue, I can see them making a small push for a goalie. They're in a rebuild so they won't go over the top.

They also have cap space, but a tight budget.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Coyotes down another goalie:

Dave Vest – ‏@davest4yotes

Per Don Maloney: #Coyotes goalie Anders Lindback suffered an injury to Achilles' tendon last night and is out indefinitely

Hiller makes sense. I can't see Tippet wanting an inexperienced rookie for that role

[getbak]

San Jose and Arizona could both be in the market for a veteran goalie now. It would be nice to get a bidding war going on.


My prediction is that Hiller goes to San Jose for Stalock and a pick, then the Flames flip Stalock to Toronto for Bernier and a pick. I foresee Ward going to Arizona.

[Poe969]

never mind trying to start a bidding war, if someone wants Hiller and is actually willing to take him, let alone give anything up for him you take the deal!

[codynw]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Arguable.

Given that the Flames will need to part with one or (more likely) more pending UFAs as a result of anticipated pay increases to certain players, you can make the reasonable argument that overpaying Stajan has contributed to the conditions that prevents the Flames from icing the best possible roster next season

They should be parting with those UFAs regardless of how much cap space they have. I don't want Russell, Hudler, Jones, Hiller... any of them back. Only one I wouldn't mind back is Ramo, and that's only if they don't find an upgrade elsewhere.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by codynw

They should be parting with those UFAs regardless of how much cap space they have. I don't want Russell, Hudler, Jones, Hiller... any of them back. Only one I wouldn't mind back is Ramo, and that's only if they don't find an upgrade elsewhere.

The Flames are a worse team on paper without Russell, Hudler and their goalies. Is that good for the club? Sure, one could argue that. But the Flames need to get rid of contracts to fit under the cap, the benefits of which are separate. So regardless if the Flames exercise good asset management at the expense of what the team looks like on paper, it can be argued that contracts such as Stajan's have caused the needed release of players due to cap purposes alone.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Poe969

never mind trying to start a bidding war, if someone wants Hiller and is actually willing to take him, let alone give anything up for him you take the deal!

That doesn't make any sense, he's a UFA this summer.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Poe969

never mind trying to start a bidding war, if someone wants Hiller and is actually willing to take him, let alone give anything up for him you take the deal!

Sure, but it's still better to have two teams interested than one. Of course, one is better than none.

[InBurkeWeTrust]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That doesn't make any sense, he's a UFA this summer.

Makes even more sense for a team looking for a replacement till the end of the year..