WCQF: Vancouver Canucks [PAC 1] vs Nashville Predators [WC1] (Canucks win 4-2)

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Elias lindholm with a hell of a Game. Don't think vancouver wins this game without him. He didn't get an assist on the winner but he started that play with playing physical.

He may be able to get a long term contract with a good playoff run.

I think what he's actually going to do is get Joshua paid a lot of money such that they end up playing him with Pettersson next year because he'll be too expensive not to have in the top 6. Lindholm will be priced out of town as a result since he can't justifiably be paid to be a 3C.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I think what he's actually going to do is get Joshua paid a lot of money such that they end up playing him with Pettersson next year because he'll be too expensive not to have in the top 6. Lindholm will be priced out of town as a result since he can't justifiably be paid to be a 3C.

I think he was going to get paid regardless as he was having a great year without Lindholm.

Dakota Joshua reminds me of a less physical Ferland. He has been a difference maker this season.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I think what he's actually going to do is get Joshua paid a lot of money such that they end up playing him with Pettersson next year because he'll be too expensive not to have in the top 6. Lindholm will be priced out of town as a result since he can't justifiably be paid to be a 3C.

Garland is the one getting Joshua paid. Joshua and Garland have been great together all season.


Joshua getting between 2.5-4mil is not out of the realm of possibility at this point.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Garland is the one getting Joshua paid. Joshua and Garland have been great together all season.


Joshua getting between 2.5-4mil is not out of the realm of possibility at this point.

Based on scoring rates, Joshua is already out of the $2 million range. His next contract would start with at least a 3.

I welcome a big contract for Joshua. His season is the shining example of unsustainable.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Based on scoring rates, Joshua is already out of the $2 million range. His next contract would start with at least a 3.

Having Ken Holland as the Oilers GM has warped your perception of how much other teams are willing to pay or over pay their bottom six guys.

[activeStick]

Since we're talking about riots, cool story bro time... So everyone knows the infamous photo of the Asian kid during the 2011 riots in Vancouver. A buddy of ours was looking for someone to help with his car (think it was alarm or audio installation), and asked a friend who told him to go to a place in Vancouver and ask for "Riot" and he'd set him up good. Thinking nothing of it, he went to the place, asked for Riot and out came that Asian kid from the riot photos lol. Apparently, the boss there gave him that nickname and now everyone knows him as Riot.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Having Ken Holland as the Oilers GM has warped your perception of how much other teams are willing to pay or over pay their bottom six guys.

Oh yeah. Vancouver has a stellar record in that regard.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Having Ken Holland as the Oilers GM has warped your perception of how much other teams are willing to pay or over pay their bottom six guys.

Dhali said it

https://twitter.com/user/status/1775227223395664278

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I don't think there is any chance Joshua gets much less than 4 and it could be as high as 4.5. Someone is going to see him as a 2nd line power forward and pay him accordingly. If he signs for 3.5 I'll be surprised.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Having Ken Holland as the Oilers GM has warped your perception of how much other teams are willing to pay or over pay their bottom six guys.

Did Holland sign Mikheyev to 4x4.75 based on the theory that was a defensively responsible forward who can kill penalties and at time of signing looked like he could be a regular 15-20 goal guy? Nope, pretty sure that was Rutherford. Why don't you think someone else will price Joshua similarly in a higher cap environment?

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I don't think there is any chance Joshua gets much less than 4 and it could be as high as 4.5. Someone is going to see him as a 2nd line power forward and pay him accordingly. If he signs for 3.5 I'll be surprised.

Kostin got $2 million for 20 points and a big playoffs.

There will be a lineup to over pay for a potential power forward. There always is.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Dhali said it

https://twitter.com/user/status/1775227223395664278

Dhali carrying water for agents.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Did Holland sign Mikheyev to 4x4.75 based on the theory that was a defensively responsible forward who can kill penalties and at time of signing looked like he could be a regular 15-20 goal guy? Nope, pretty sure that was Rutherford. Why don't you think someone else will price Joshua similarly in a higher cap environment?

If he gets over four I would be supremely shocked.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Kostin got $2 million for 20 points and a big playoffs.

There will be a lineup to over pay for a potential power forward. There always is.

TBF, people usually expect an ex-Oiler bounce.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Dhali carrying water for agents.

Why is it out to lunch?

$1M of AAV for every 10 points of production has generally been the value for a player.

Over the past 2 seasons as a Canuck Joshua has averaged 32 points per 82 games played. And he's only 28 which is relatively young for a UFA.

These are guys who were 27 or 38 years old that had similar contract season production to Joshua.

Frank Vatrano - $3.65M - 32 points in 71 games
Alexander Kerfoot - $3.5M - 32 points in 82 games
Pierre Engvall - $3.0M - 30 points in 76 games
Miles Wood - $2.5M - 27 points in 76 games
Oskar Lindblom - $2.5M - 26 points in 79 games

Joshua had 32 points in 63 games this year (41 point pace)

He's getting around $3.5M as a UFA for sure based on recent comparables, and I wouldn't be surprised if somebody gave him $4M x 3 or something like that.

[Flamesfan05]

Nah people don’t expect that. Ex Oilers suck when they can’t get cheap points off McDrai anymore

Anyway Treliving will give Joshua all his money after the Leafs early exit

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He's getting around $3.5M as a UFA for sure based on recent comparables.

that seems likely.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Dhali carrying water for agents.

Seems like you are conflating what is likely to happen with what you want to happen.

Joshua would be dumb to give any kind of hometown discount. He's barely made anything in his career thus far.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

that seems likely.

I'm confused...weren't you just arguing that $3M+ was not likely and it was the media member carrying water for the agent.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'm confused...weren't you just arguing that $3M+ was not likely and it was the media member carrying water for the agent.

No, he said 2.5 to 4 is possible. I'm saying it could easily be well over 4 and I would be surprised if it was much below that. Basically I'm saying he gets priced a bit cheaper than Mason Marchment, but adjusted for cap inflation it comes out to more or less the same number.

In other words the high end of his range is the low end of my range of what we think the guy is getting signed for.

[GreenLantern2814]

Hot take, but outdoor viewing parties are lame.

Everyone looks like a dork.