Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Lucic will be playing for Seattle after his bonus is paid , don’t worry

Monahan will start on LTIR until Flames have another injury to offset it

This is the way

Here is the list of players that Seattle took last year as salary dumps for a price:



So excuse me for worrying.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Monahan’s situation for instance could be very complicated as I don’t exactly know how buying out injured players works nor do I know how much demand a player coming off of 2 separate hip injuries will have.

Injured players cannot be bought out without their permission.

Much like last year, Monny has negative trade value unless and until he proves himself productive and healthy. Even more so this year, after another round of surgeries.

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

The cost of the 9 forwards you’ve proposed would be in or around the neighborhood of $54M and that’s if Lucic’s entire cap hit is removed in your scenario which I’m very skeptical of as I don’t see him making the decision to retire before his $3M signing bonus is due.

Also, for Treliving to execute a trade in time, he’d have to receive a list of 8 teams Milan is willing to be traded to and I suspect most teams aren’t in a position to know exactly how much they will sit above or below next season’s cap floor. There’s just not enough time to do all that when Treliving he’s tied up with Johnny’s situation. So in the grand scheme of things, we’re probably stuck with Looch which would be roughly $60M tied up to just 10 forwards.

Add the 2 goalies under contract and we’re up to $67M which leads to $15M for 7 defensemen and 3 forwards in your scenario...so yeah...like I said previously, players will have to go. Good players.

I guess I would rather it be the middle tier guys than the stars. Otherwise this team will be boring to watch next year. But it’s really all gonna come down to what Johnny does. Kind of frustrating this having to wait and see!

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Lucic will be playing for Seattle after his bonus is paid , don’t worry

Monahan will start on LTIR until Flames have another injury to offset it

This is the way

Seattle has $23 million in cap space and is apparently going to try hard to sign free agents.

Not sure where Lucic fits into those plans. Probably not at all is my guess.

Teams that aren't close to the cap floor next season are Detroit, Buffalo, Anaheim, and Arizona.

Does Lucic waive for any of those destinations assuming there is interest in him?

I feel like Detroit and Buffalo are going to be pushing hard to improve and Lucic doesn't help with that.

Maybe Anaheim.

They did get bullied one game and it got a fair amount of media coverage. That seems the most likely, and probably only option. If Anaheim opts to go for a slow rebuild, having a feared guy like Lucic around makes sense.

If they plan on trying to make a push for the playoffs next year though, passing on Lucic and offering to take Mangiapane would be a better course of action.

I have a hard time imagining Lucic will want to waive to go play for Arizona in a literal barn.

[kipperiggy]

I wonder if Sutter and Tre know something we don't regarding Johnny re-signing and Chucky extending more than his QO.

Otherwise why would Sutter have agreed to come back on a 3 year deal?

Just wishful thinking I'm sure.

I did get better vibes from Chucky's interview than Johnny's. JG never said anything along the lines of "I'd love to work out a good deal for both sides", only that "Calgary has a special place in his heart and we'll see what happens."

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

10.5 over 8 for both players equals 12x7 so hopefully that is the highest the cap hits will be. Probably have to make it as player friendly as the CBA allows with bonuses, full NMC, buyout protection where there is minimal cap savings like Lucic’s deal.

Tkachuk will probably really value getting to wear the C. I think that could motivate him to sign. It would be fantastic for the Flames to wrap these deals up before the playoffs are over.

Other teams will be happy if Tkachuk gets the C.
Too easy to get in his head and he's the king of being all talk and no action.

He's better suited to be the sidekick, not the hero.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Other teams will be happy if Tkachuk gets the C.
Too easy to get in his head and he's the king of being all talk and no action.

He's better suited to be the sidekick, not the hero.

He has more maturing to do but I think he gets there. He has made strides since the puck flip. I think it is really important to him and Calgary needs to ensure they keep their home grown superstars.

Getting the C could be what Tkachuk really needs

[redforever]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Other teams will be happy if Tkachuk gets the C.
Too easy to get in his head and he's the king of being all talk and no action.

He's better suited to be the sidekick, not the hero.

This in a nutshell. He has some maturing to do before he is gifted the C. Michael Backlund epitomizes what it means to wear the flaming C. It would be a shame if he was not give the captaincy.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by redforever

This in a nutshell. He has some maturing to do before he is gifted the C. Michael Backlund epitomizes what it means to wear the flaming C. It would be a shame if he was not give the captaincy.

Yes, after this playoff, especially the second round, I think Backlund would make a great captain. He really proud to wear the flaming C.

[Steve Macfarlane]

Sign him up.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...-hand-injured/

The captaincy can wait.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

I wonder if Sutter and Tre know something we don't regarding Johnny re-signing and Chucky extending more than his QO.

Otherwise why would Sutter have agreed to come back on a 3 year deal?

Just wishful thinking I'm sure.

I did get better vibes from Chucky's interview than Johnny's. JG never said anything along the lines of "I'd love to work out a good deal for both sides", only that "Calgary has a special place in his heart and we'll see what happens."

It was more like a 2.5 year deal. And you don't normally like to have a coach's deal actually expire. It's not as big of an issue with older coaches, but you still don't want to create any kind of situation where a player is just 'waiting out' their coach.

For Sutter...he could always quit/retire early if it just wasn't working out and there was no reason for hope in the 3rd year.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If Lucic "retired" after his $3M bonus was paid, he'd have to pay it back. Or, if the Flames chose to allow him to keep it, it would count against the salary cap.

It all counts, teams can't pay money to players and not have it count against the cap.

I’m not sure why the “retired” is in quotes. But can you backup your claim?

Lucic was neither 35 or older when he signed his contract nor did he qualify as a long-term contract subject to the cap recapture penalties.

You’re right that everything counts, but I think there’s two formulas for SPC. First add up everything, including bonuses, and divide by years to get annual cap hit. For Lucic this was 6M. The next is the actual cap incurred by the team by day. That’s found by taking the annual cap hit and dividing it by the number of days in the season, 200 or so, and that’s the daily cap hit. So Lucic would be $30,000 ($26,250 to Flames and $3,750 to Oilers in retained salary) for each day he is on the roster during the season. We saw this with Heatley when he smartly refused to go to Edmonton and the Senators were on the hook for the 4M bonus. Despite Ottawa paying the bonus, San Jose incurred the entire 7.5M cap-hit that year as Heatley was on their roster each day. If Lucic was traded or retired before the end of the contract, the Flames cap hit accrued would be number of days on roster x $26,250. If he retired before the season started then it’s 0x$26,250.

As for repayment. The team could file a grievance like they did against Heatley and Shipachyov in Vegas, but obvious in this case it wouldn’t happen as it would be mutual.

[djsFlames]

If Gaudreau doesn't re-up here I am finito.

Losing to the ####heads and Gaudreau leaving in short succession is just too much. Christmas for our rival and a ####burger sandwich for Flames fans that deserved better.

The arena setback is just the garnish of BS on top.

Can we get a few wins here? We need it.

[Roof-Daddy]

Man, Treliving is going to have to be in full on wizard mode to bring back a team as competitive and tough as this years group while keeping it all under the cap.

You play around on CapFriendly and it's an exercise in frustration, futility and wishful thinking.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Man, Treliving is going to have to be in full on wizard mode to bring back a team as competitive and tough as this years group while keeping it all under the cap.

You play around on CapFriendly and it's an exercise in frustration, futility and wishful thinking.

You pay a team to take on the Monahan contract and allocate his cap to Johnny and Tkachuk. That is the only way. I pick Monahan over Lucic because Lucic’s fans is better suited for the 4th line. If you can get rid of both, cool I guess. But, you’ve got to get rid of at least one of them and Monahan is the odd man out. He would be easier and cheaper to trade off.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

You pay a team to take on the Monahan contract and allocate his cap to Johnny and Tkachuk. That is the only way. I pick Monahan over Lucic because Lucic’s fans is better suited for the 4th line. If you can get rid of both, cool I guess. But, you’ve got to get rid of at least one of them and Monahan is the odd man out. He would be easier and cheaper to trade off.

I think that Monny will be way more expensive to trade off, since he won't have any real chance to show he is healthy and productive before the season starts.

I expect anyone trading for him before the season starts will basically assume he's a black hole. Lucic is a known quantity that will be only owed $1M after his bonus is paid, so may be more attractive to a cap floor team.

Each has varying degrees of no trade protection that will get factored in.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

If Gaudreau doesn't re-up here I am finito.

Losing to the ####heads and Gaudreau leaving in short succession is just too much. Christmas for our rival and a ####burger sandwich for Flames fans that deserved better.

The arena setback is just the garnish of BS on top.

Can we get a few wins here? We need it.

Future WOS material? I hope Gaudreau returns but I’ve been a fan of the team for far too long to let that change things. Players leave, it happens.

Losing to Edmonton sucks but I guess it’s ingrained in my development. Getting our lunch fed to us by the Oilers and Esks was a constant thread though my adolescence.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Man, Treliving is going to have to be in full on wizard mode to bring back a team as competitive and tough as this years group while keeping it all under the cap.

You play around on CapFriendly and it's an exercise in frustration, futility and wishful thinking.

Was just going to post this, was doing some CapFriendly tinkering and we are in a world of hurt. Too many inflated contracts for our middle 6 Forwards for sure, we simply cant afford to pay our bottom 6 so much.

$26,925,000 in CAP space w/ Monahan on LTIR - $20,550,000 with him on the roster (which he will be start of next season unless traded)

It really does look like we'll need to trade a big fish to recoup some picks/prospects or cheaper rookie contracts etc. I cant fathom this team looking the same next year at all, has to be some huge changes.

Troubling contracts: (value)
Lucic - 5.25 (brutal for a 4th liner)
Monahan - 6.37 (brutal for your 4th line center/injury plagued forward)
Toffoli 4.25 - 2 more years for a 3rd line winger (should be 2nd line) unless he can turn it around

Then take your 2 positional defensive forwards who played well but over value:

Backlund @ 3rd line center for 5.35 is too high
Coleman @ 3rd line winger for 4.9 is too high

____ x Lindholm x ____
____ x Backlund x ____
____ x Monahan x ____
____ x Dube x ____

Roster players under contract:
Lucic
Toffoli

RFA
Tkachuk
Mangiapane

Johnny @ 10M (could get more)
Matthew @ 9M minimum

This leaves us $1,550,000 to complete the roster which isn't enough.


4 D next year is rough:

Hanifin x Andersson
Tanev x ____
Valimaki x ____

So we essentially need a 3rd/4th D and then a 5/6 unless you feel Valimaki (huge decline) or Mackey are ready to take the full time step.

[2macinnis2]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Man, Treliving is going to have to be in full on wizard mode to bring back a team as competitive and tough as this years group while keeping it all under the cap.

You play around on CapFriendly and it's an exercise in frustration, futility and wishful thinking.

This is why I think the logical move is to trade Tkachuk. That’s the move that actually has some potential upside, because if you replace him with a quick responsible two way winger, you may actually improve that line. I just don’t think you are going to ever get great responsible defensive play from Gaudreau… that’s not what he’s paid for.

Akin to the Stars I mentioned previously, they had Hull-Modano-Lehtinen. Gaudreau is better than Hull was at that point and Modano>Lindholm, so I see that as being pretty close. Neither were great defensively. That’s why Lehtinen was so important, he was great in keeping and getting it out of their own end. This line needs that more than a Tkachuk IMO. And with that you save the necessary $ and potentially add to the futures cupboard.

[Vinny01]

Toffoli 3rd line winger at best?

Recency bias/negativity is strong in that post. He played at a 51pt pace in Calgary